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A&M’s Sumlin Says Manziel Didn’t Ignore Him On Saturday; We Say “Yeesh”

gfx - honest opinionBy now you’ve seen the highlight.  Johnny Manziel throws a touchdown pass.  He taunts Rice players for (at least) a third time (Aggie fans on this site have said poor Johnny Football was simply responding to trash-talking Rice players so it’s really their fault).  He draws an immediate flag for unsportsmanlike conduct, costing his team 15 yards.  He walks to the sideline.  Head coach Kevin Sumlin says something to him.  Manziel keeps walking and never looks at his coach.  In fact, he actually bumps him out of the way and never turns his head back to Sumlin to apologize or acknowledge what his coach is saying.

If any player in the SEC did that to his coach, you would read about it here on MrSEC.com because it’s not something often seen.  Quick, name the number of times you’ve seen a player breeze by a coach who’s talking to him, bump him, and keep walking.  Exactly.  So spare us all the “high-tech lynching” and “ESPN narrative” bull.  It was an unusual act and such an act would get attention regardless of the player.

Well, now some of the A&M faithful — you gotta admire their total and complete devotion to Johnny Football — have emailed a hundred links to Sumlin’s Tuesday press conference to the MrSEC.com offices.  Guess what Sumlin said.  He said that the media made too much of the act:

 

“When he came off the field, basically I made two statements to him, neither one of which should he have responded to.  They weren’t questions.  They were direct statements that I can’t repeat right now.  So what’s amazing to me is the perception that he ignored me.  The worst thing that could have happened was for him to reply, based on what I told him.”

 

And here I expected him to say, “Yeah, he ignored me and I have no control of the team.”

Ridiculously, a few Texas A&M fans are buying this load of crap and once again ignoring the big picture.  Did anyone suggest that Manziel should have talked back to Sumlin?  I don’t believe so.  The problem was that Manziel never stopped to listen and he didn’t even give so much as a “Yes, sir.”

Hmmm.  Ya think A&M cadets can just breeze my their officers — or bump them — without a “Yes, sir” as Manziel did?  Here’s guessing not.  Apparently all that “military discipline” stuff Aggie fans like to trumpet doesn’t apply to their football team.

If you were making a point to your son or daughter, would you want them to stop and listen to you?  Or would you be okey-dokey with them marching by you without ever turning their head?  You can be sure Sumlin wasn’t happy with Manziel’s response regardless of what he’s having to sell to the media.

Sumlin can’t be shown up by Manziel in front of his team.  He doesn’t want other players following Manziel’s lead.  So, of course, he said the player didn’t ignore him while also twisting the situation to suggest that Manziel actually showed him respect by not responding.  Responding?  How ’bout listening?  How ’bout not bumping?

Once again, Sumlin is trying to avoid looking weak in light of his quarterback’s actions.  As we’ve pointed out before, this is a coach who hinted multiple times at SEC Media Days that he’d told Manziel to back off from Twitter.  Manziel responded to like questions by saying, “Maybe I haven’t had anything to say.”  And then he began tweeting again that very night.

Those Texas A&M fans who are, oh, so delusional about Manziel won’t see that.  They’ve been brainwashed.  Hell, one of them compared this writer to Joseph Goebbels yesterday.  Yeah, ESPN is blowing the Manziel thing out of proportion, but the deeds of this website are comparable to those of a Nazi.  Got it.

No, the Cult of Johnny crowd still see a player who can do no wrong.  Had Manziel walked to the sideline Saturday and cold-cocked Sumlin, a portion of the A&M fanbase would have loudly stated that the coach must have deserved it.

As for the “ESPN narrative” that we keep reading about — that’s got to be a messageboard thing because half the angry emails we get refer to it — it’s more than ESPN.  Some of those in maroon and white are trying to act as though it’s one network that’s out to get Texas A&M.  It’s more than just ESPN who’s calling Manziel’s repeated actions out of line.  It’s CBS Sports and The Sporting News.  It’s Sports Illustrated and NBC Sports.  It’s Yahoo! Sports and SEC-centric sites like this one.  Manziel acts like a spoiled brat.  He allowed a writer into his life and it became clear that, despite being a likable guy, he is indeed a spoiled brat.  Everyone sees that.  Not just ESPN.

The folks all alone on the island are those A&M fans — and it’s certainly not all Aggie fans, mind you — who blindly support Manziel regardless of how many suspensions, penalties and benchings he receives.  It’s not the world view versus ESPN’s view.  It’s every damn body’s view versus your view.

We end just about every Manziel piece the same way: Here’s hoping all the future Johnny Football talk revolves around his playing ability.  No more.  Oh, it’d be nice to see the kid grow up.  It would be good to see him act like a young adult rather than a tempestuous child.  It would be great if we could someday talk about him as a hall of fame player rather than as a “rebel” who’s attitude overshadowed his achievements (a la Ryan Leaf, Brian Bosworth, Todd Marinovich, etc).  For Manziel’s sake, that the hope.

But for those in the A&M faithful who defend their QB no matter what, well, let’s just say it’d be fun to see their response if/when Manziel’s antics cost him playing time or cost his team a victory.  There are a lot of people who would like to see Johnny Football deflated.  To the point that an old (and paraphrased) line from the film “Ben Hur” comes to mind: “I tell you, the day Manziel falls, there will be a shout of freedom such as the world has never heard before.”

Now why is it that so many have turned against this kid?  The “ESPN narrative?”  Try the player’s own actions off — and now on — the field.

But what do I know?  I’m just a Nazi for daring to write that Manziel occasionally behaves boorishly.

Funny, it seems to me that if there’s a group of people brainwashed by one man in this case… it ain’t the media.

 


40 comments
Eagle78
Eagle78

John, with all respect, your position that Manziel ignored Sumlin is baloney.  It is supposition wrapped in conjecture.  I'm saying this as an A&M fan, but not one blinded by loyalty. I'm not an A&M alum, although my kid attends there.  But since I am just a casual fan, I do believe I can be objective about this.

Here is the thing:  would he be ignoring Sumlin if Sumlin said something along these lines:  "Manziel, that is the dumbest thing I have ever seen a quarterback do.  What the **** do you think you were trying to achieve.  Don't you say a word.  We'll talk about this later.  You get you *** over there on the bench NOW.  I'm taking you out of the game.  Your replacement will play the rest of the way."

If Sumlin said something along those lines, then of course Manziel is going to do exactly what he told.  He got his a** over there on the bench.  And I am sure that he and Sumlin talked about what had happened after the game.

What is with this double standard? You take the worst possible interpretation of the events that unfolded in a way that makes Manziel look bad.  Hey, I love your site.  I view it every single day because I grew up in Atlanta, Georgia, right in the middle of SEC country.  I'm a huge SEC fan ... grew up going to see the Dawgs play in Athens.  But what I am seeing you do here, along with the rest of the sports media, is beyond the pale.  You are putting the worst possible spin on things.  Could events have played out the way you suggest?  Yes, I would admit that.  However, we do know they played out that way.  It could have happened exactly as I set forth above so that Manziel acted in the way anyone else would who was told he was taken out of the game and to go sit on the bench pronto.

That said, yes Manziel pulled a bonehead with the taunting penalty.  But so do a lot of other players.  There is a whole lot of trash talk going on out there and emotions are running high.  But the fact that he committed a bonehead penalty does not all equate to his disrespect of the Coach Sumlin when he walked to the sidelines.  It could have easily happened exactly as I described above.  

Its a dumb move to taunt.  I've seen Tebow do it when he was with the Gators, and a lot of other players as well.  Treat Manziel like you do them.  Point out it was dumb to do that, but move on.  To keep going over and over the same penalty for days on end, when that is not done with other other high profile players, suggests that this really is a high tech lynching.  That is not right.  Manziel has his flaws, but so does everyone else.  No need to cover this little episode so profoundly different from other players who engage in taunting.

I just hope Manziel has learned his lesson, that is, that he is going to be scrutinized for his on-the-field behavior way way closer than any other player.  And with knowledge of that information, he should conduct his on the field behaviors accordingly by channeling his emotion into his play and away from talking trash and the like.


OBXnoworries
OBXnoworries

Johnny autograph is a spoiled brat, simple as that.  I was a big fan last year, even though he beat my team, but the offseason taught me that he's hopeless.  He might win the BCSNC, he could do very well.  But Sumlin will have to come a long way to rid himself of the reputation that he kowtows to the NCAA's prima prima donna.  The sooner he is out of college football the better.

ctag02
ctag02

The non-response to the calls to show where Manziel "actually bumps [Sumlin] out of the way" is telling.  And then to liken Manziel to a cadet in the Corps of Cadets and write about "that 'military discipline' stuff Aggie fans like to trumpet"?  Seriously?  Is McCarron expected to act like a cadet in the AFROTC at Alabama?  Is Clowney expected to act like a cadet in the USC ROTC? Are Marshall and Gurley expected to act like cadets in the UGA ROTC?  

I don't think this website is populated with Nazi-types, but this article makes it clear that at least one of you is okay with being a spinmeister.  Because the author doesn't know exactly what Sumlin said or what he expected to be said back, it's okay to write in righteous indignation about the spoiled brat that is Manziel.  Because Manziel didn't respond like the author believed he should, it's okay to insinuate that Sumlin is a liar and not in control.  Because what really happened is a non-story, it's okay to take the story into the realm of the absurd by claiming some fans would have defended Johnny had he actually punched Sumlin.

Guess I'm brainwashed because I'd expect that someone who believes Manziel occasionally behaves boorishly should resort to misrepresentation, sensationalism, and absurdity and then cry foul when that misrepresentation, sensationalism, and absurdity is pointed out.

the_voice
the_voice

I would love to see what the comments of A&M fandom would be if JFF wore the burnt orange of that team they love to hate in Austin. I'm guessing polar opposite.

Seriously, A&M is a great school with many wonderful things to be proud of. This over the top defense of Mr. Manziel for his juvenile behavior just isn't one of them. If you love him so much; he needs adults to establish borders for him so he can mature into an adult A&M can be proud of, not a bunch of excuse making facilitators.

Ag In FM
Ag In FM

Post the video and let your readers decide if it was a malicious bump by Manziel or the action of a player getting yelled at by his coach and the player reacting like a five year old hanging his head and looking straight at the ground. I see Sumlin getting in his face and Manziel trying not to look at Sumlin while both run into each other, I do not see any malicious intent. Interesting to see what others think. I think Johnny probably never got this at home and it should have happened awhile ago.

Aggies are getting mad because the piling on Manziel is getting ridiculous. This is because reporters and websites have taken a sensational narrative and run it as fact. I find it interesting that Fox Sports 1, CBS, SI, NBC, Deadspin, Yahoo, and others have not been able to collaborate any of the accusation by one lone ESPN reporter. Don't you think these organizations are trying to get the lead on this story. Think about it, people run with the idea that Manziel signed 4,000 or more items, that has never been substantiated, no one can find these 4,000 items that a felon reported as true yet site keep referring to that as fact.  Johnny jawed back at Rice players and got flagged, this happens in games every Saturday and the coach takes care of it like Sumlin has, nothing new here.

I know I will get the "thanks for reading my site" but enough is enough.

AggieJeff
AggieJeff

Is was a dumb penalty. But, you cannot be more wrong on your analysis.  Just simply wrong.  If you pay any attention at all you will see that Sumlin moves in with his elbow on Johnny (Sumlin is learly PO'd and should be), and Johnny keeps walking (as he should) off the field.  Nothing more than that occurred.  I would love for you to diagram for me what you think you see and how it reflects poorly on Johnny.   I agree that you've said plenty of good things about A&M, but you are of base on this one!

Tusk
Tusk

This is great!  All we are lacking is a tirade from Ms. Caps Lock Hissy Fit.

Aggie02
Aggie02

Mr. SEC is notorious for running this site unprofessionally, arguing with comments on his articles, pointing out the hypocrisy and inconsistencies in his "reporting", and now when the absolutely overblown situation that Manziel "bumped" Sumlin has been exposed to be nothing at all - he's digging in with more fury and determination.

Some times, it's better to just admit you misread a situation like a lot of people did (on ESPN) and move on.


I'm sure I'll be thanked for reading the site, the backhanded humble bragging retort of a half-rate blogger sitting in "the Mr SEC offices" toiling away at assembling links from other people's work every day.  What a sad life.

tbear57
tbear57

Before TAMU joined the SEC I was unaware this site existed so I have no body of work to compare to this fixation on JFF and the endless bashing of the current holder of the Heisman. I read very little reporting of actual football related news concerning the Ags as opposed to daily exposes on the other members of the best conference in the country. We maroon visioned readers are ecstatic to be relevant again so you'll have to excuse us for coming to Johnny's defense. Since I was in the stands Saturday,not on the field, just like those pontificating on something they know nothing about, I will defer to Coach Sumlin, Johnny's teammates and the player from Rice as to what was said and JFF's effect on the team. I won't apologize for accepting an invitation to the party, becoming the life of the party or for stealing a bit of the the BCS champs thunder. Lou Doltz, Always Wrong May and the rest of the ESPN "experts" have to bloviate to seem relevant. I get that. Let's just have some fun and play some football!  

j_scott_o
j_scott_o

Do I think Manziel was stupid for getting the penalty?  OF COURSE!  But, your attacks seem to be a little silly.  You mentioned "Joseph Goebbels", and I agree, that is over the top.  But, you use terms like "Cult", which conveys certain images as well.  You have no idea what goes on with the team.  You go by what ESPN moderators say.  Please, tell me they don't influence your thoughts/views.  Did Manziel bring some of this on himself?  Definitely.  But, you can't deny the over the top scrutiny he gets.  People take the view that his teammates don't like him.  Say he only cares about himself and not the team.  Sure seemed that way in the first half when he was on the sideline, cheering and involved with his teammates.

Also, as for the Corps of Cadets and Aggie fans trumpeting the military discipline, quick, show me the links to all of this military discipline trumpeting by fans?  Didn't think so.

Kirk Herbstreit has a lot different take on all of this.  And, he has spent more time with Manziel than almost all of these media guys.  We get it, you don't like him.  That's fine.  You wish him the best.  I'm sure.  I do want you an others to continue the obsession with Manziel, Sumlin, and A&M.  You don't think this lights a fire under them?

Anyway, still love reading your site.  Even when I don't agree.

the_voice
the_voice

When your riding that wild bronco named Johnny, you can change directions very quickly.  A few months ago Sumlin was being talked about as a NFL head coach in waiting. Now, there are legitimate concerns about his ability to control his team. Hang on, coach, the ride isn't over yet.

Gamecock in ATL
Gamecock in ATL

Aggie fans - I know that you want to get behind Johnny Football. Trust me, I was the same way with Stephen Garcia. Garcia wasn't nearly the star that Manziel is, but he gave us (what we thought) was the best chance at winning. That's not to say that there weren't other reasons why we liked him, like his hard nosed effort to get 1st downs with his feet regardless of the beating he would take (and JF has many reasons to like too), but ultimately it was because we were nervous about replacing him. We had this guy Connor Shaw who had looked terrible in his only action, and with the defense we had plus Lattimore, it was now or never and we needed Garcia.

Then a certain AD who you should all know kicked Garcia off the team. We all cried foul. (And to be fair, the way Hyman went about it was rediculous, and in fact I am still glad that Hyman left.) The reality was that Garcia should have been kicked off sooner for other things, so he had it coming. It a sort of way it was like OJ Simpson - he got royally screwed by the courts on his prison time for roughing up that guy in the hotel room, but at the end of the day, you don't feel that bad for him considering his prior actions. So good riddance Hyman but also good riddance Garcia.

But now fast forward to today. Shaw is 18-3 as a starter, and we all just wish that he would have taken over sooner! It's not that Shaw is a better QB, but the TEAM is better with him as the leader. Think about that ...

RachelMarquez
RachelMarquez

He (Manziel) is a very spoiled brat, and a disgrace to SEC football.  He is like the basketball player at Ole Miss (whose name I can't remember, that's how "special" he is).  They both need to have to work hard for a living, and quit being treated like royalty.

annemoore3
annemoore3

@MrSEC you do realize an ESPN reporter is corroborating what Sumlin said. Do some research first.

CarneySummer
CarneySummer

@MrSEC I don't know how they can't see it but I really believe they don't.

labayouboy
labayouboy

@MrSEC I'm sure if he would have stopped & responded you would have written an article about how he talked back to his coach. Get a life.

Aggie02
Aggie02

@hughmscores It's really embarrassing that he is trying to spin this into Rebel Wildchild Manziel and completely ignores McCarron or any other play that has ever done this.

As he explains below, it's because he's biased against his perception of Johnny's prior actions as to why he is treating McCarron differently.  So in other words he is letting his prejudice cloud the facts because they don't agree with his false version of events. 

hughmscores
hughmscores

@the_voice The over-the-top defense of Manziel is a reaction to the over-the-top criticism of Manziel.  This article, while a good example of over-the-top criticism, is tame compared to some of the ridiculous stuff that's been said.  We Ags know that Johnny is volatile, something of a turd, and is partly to blame for some of the stuff being said.  He clearly deserved the penalty and the chewing out/benching he got from Sumlin.  But he does NOT deserve MUCH of the criticism that he has received.  Going to NBA games and rap concerts?  Legally gambling?  Calmly walking out of a party that some friends of his invited him to after people started throwing stuff at him?  Taking online classes?  "Bumping Sumlin out of the way?"  Please.  Some of it is just absurd.  

John at MrSEC
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@Ag In FM 

It's thanks for reading THE site.

And thanks for reading the site.  (Really.  It's appreciated.)

John

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@hughmscores 

If McCarron had the same history of being a tad "rebellious" that would mean something.  Manziel is a "loose cannon" -- his words -- so all of his taunts and his reaction/non-reaction to Sumlin on Saturday carry a bit more weight than this one clip of McCarron.

Just my opinion.

Thanks for reading the site,

John

hughmscores
hughmscores

I wish you would post a video of Johnny "bumping Sumlin out of the way."  Because that didn't happen.  Yes, they bumped into each other, but describing it as Jonny "bumping Sumlin out of the way" is inaccurate.  Johnny no more ignored Sumlin than AJ ignored Saban in this clip.  

John at MrSEC
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@Aggie02 

This half-rate blogger enjoys the fact that you choose to read a half-rate blogger.

And thanks for reading the site,

John

(Could you feel me digging in with more fury?)

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@tbear57 

This site beat the drum louder and harder than any other site for A&M to join the SEC.  We said A&M would be a perfect match and on the day the Aggies decided to stay in the Big 12 in 2010, we wrote it was only a matter of time before A&M married the SEC.

We have commented on the Manziel story -- there's some new issue with him every day -- and been called anti-A&M because of it.

Obviously, when we say good things about A&M or tout Manziel for the Heisman -- as we did last year -- we're great, objective reporters.  And when we dare to say he's a ticking time bomb, well, then we're hacks with an agenda.

Goes with the territory.

Thanks for reading, 
John

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@j_scott_o 

When I write something good about a team, I'm a great guy.  When I call out a player or a coach, I'm the devil.

That's the gist of the situation.  So if using the word "cult" is the same as calling someone a Nazi, I'll just have to beg forgiveness for my breach of etiquette.

Thanks for reading the site,

John

Oh, and I've got a blue million emails from A&M fans speaking of "A&M discipline," "A&M honor," and the Corps of Cadets.  Personally, I respect A&M's history, but I've always thought these types of emails were over the top as no football team can be compared to an actual military unit.  A good solider who breaks rules is punished.  A good football player who breaks rules is given 15 more chances.  But I can ASSURE you we've been hit with these types of lines again and again and again since A&M joined the SEC.

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@annemoore3 @MrSEC 

What did we argue?  No, he didn't talk back... but he breezed right by him and didn't stop to listen.  #LameReader

Also, it's funny how A&M fans pick and choose which ESPN statements are to be believed and which are  not.

John

John at MrSEC
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@labayouboy @MrSEC 

No, if he'd stopped and nodded and acted like he cared what his coach was saying, it wouldn't have deserved coverage.  Bumping his coach and never pausing or turning his head to listen was and is the issue.  Get a grip on reality.

John

John at MrSEC
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@creasybear02 @MrSEC @TomLuginbill 

We didn't say he should have responded.  If you read the story -- and I'm sure you didn't -- we said that was a misdirection by Sumlin.  What Manziel should have done -- and what 99.9% of players would do -- is to stop and listen to his coach rather than bump him and keep going.

The idiot would be the person -- I would think -- who would blindly defend any and all actions by a player simply because he's good and he's on said idiot's favy-wavy team.

John

Ag In FM
Ag In FM

@John at MrSEC @Ag In FM 

The pleasure is mine. When you get PO'd by having countless e-mails and texts about something you said or written and you know you were right, think about how the Aggies feel about getting piled on by the media when the Aggies are convinced they are right. I think you are more like the Aggies then you know.

hughmscores
hughmscores

@John at MrSEC @hughmscores You're missing the point.  You mocked Sumlin for suggesting that Johnny did not behave poorly when he walked by him to the bench.  You even said that Johnny bumped Sumlin out of the way (which he did not).  When I provide a clip of AJ doing the same thing to Saban, you act like it's not a big deal because AJ does not have a history of "being rebellious"  (whatever that it).  Surely you can see how incredibly weak your stance on this is.  Either they both behaved poorly, or neither behaved poorly.  You can't have it both ways.  If it's okay for AJ to walk past Saban as Saban is yelling at him, it's okay for Manziel to walk past Sumlin as Sumlin is yelling at him.  The past history makes a potential difference to the severity of the deserved punishment, but not as to the judgment of whether or not the behavior was poor.

j_scott_o
j_scott_o

@John at MrSEC @j_scott_o Just to be clear, I never referred or alluded to you being a good guy or bad guy.  But, I did say I "love reading your site"  I would hope you like the discussion too.  Otherwise, why write a provocative opinion piece?  Calling someone a Goebbels is hyperbole, just like "cult" is.  When I hear "cult" I think of Koresh, Jim Jones, etc.  I'm sure others do as well.  And, definitely, football and the military are not the same.  But, comparisons can and will continue to be made by people, regardless of the team.  And, just an fyi as an aside, the Corps is less than 10% of the student body...also, besides the military academies, A&M does have more students go into the military than any other institution.  Just throwing that out there.

Also, I should have mentioned in my first reply, I didn't think Manziel bumped into Sumlin, but, the other way around.  Which, I thought was pretty good of Sumlin to get into Manziel's face.

j_scott_o
j_scott_o

@John at MrSEC @MrSEC @TomLuginbill Just pointing this out, but, isn't it ironic that you are replying with taunts to a fan that is taunting you with?  He calls you an "idiot" and you refer back as "The idiot" an "idiot's favy-wavy team".  I dunno, I just find that kinda funny.  And, yes, I realize you aren't the Heisman winner and you don't have to be held by the same lofty standards.  But, Manziel does this...and he's a punk.  You do it and...well, that is just a plain sound response. 

John at MrSEC
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@hughmscores @John at MrSEC 

If you don't think Johnny Manziel has behaved like more of a "rebel" than AJ McCarron over the past eight months, well... there's no help for you, my friend.

And I don't see my stance as weak.  In fact, I see almost every single soul who's not an A&M fan taking the same or a similar stance.  If I were you, that would cause me to re-think my own view.  "Are all of these people really out to get Texas A&M?  Do they really care one way or another if A&M wins or loses a ballgame?  Or am I just taking it that way because nobody can ever critique my player, my coach, my team?"

The history makes a huge difference in my opinion.  McCarron has a history of obeying orders.  I don't think anyone on the Alabama team would view him as showing up Nick Saban.  I would bet good money -- on the other hand -- there are some Aggies who do feel their starting quarterback sees himself as being bigger than the coach and the team.

Only time will tell which one of us has misread this situation.  For your sake, for A&M's sake and for Manziel's sake -- a kid that I think needs some guidance from the adults in his life -- I hope it's you who are right.  But if it turns out I'm right, I want every Aggie fan who's lobbed insults (you did not, and I thank you) to come back here and own up to it.

Difference of opinions.  I can live with that.  Again, you were calm and rational in your reply.

Thanks for reading,

John

John at MrSEC
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@j_scott_o @John at MrSEC 

I wrote the piece because it is my view of the situation.  Over five years, some people have come to want to see the views held by this site's writers.  Some don't.  And that's fine.

I can assure you, if there's one guy in the world who can't stand writers/talking heads who write/say things just to get a response, it's me.  I think that's incredibly lame.  Unfortunately, it's also incredibly easy and therefore people do it.

If I write it, it's what I think.  Discussions are fine, but look at the early responses to this piece and tell me if you see reasoned discussions... or insults?

So I chose to hurl a few barbs back... and that's drives people insane.  Then I'm a child or a tyrant or a tyrannical child for replying to them in kind.  (And I'm not saying YOU claimed that.)

You've presented reasoned responses in a calm way.  That very much is welcomed.  Folks don't have to agree.  People disagree all the time and I don't say thing.  But when they get ugly, well, I like to let 'em know that they guy on this side of the screen can be just as nasty if they want to go down the road.  

Thanks for reading the site,

John

(Why everyone takes a "thank you" as a dig or an insult, I don't know.  Just shows how people bring their own feelings into everything they read.)

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@j_scott_o @John at MrSEC @MrSEC @TomLuginbill 

I think the irony of that response was pretty clearly intended.

I've never written that Manziel was a punk for calling someone an idiot.  So that's a false argument.

I have said that if someone believes they can come onto this site and hurl insults, I reserve the right to respond in kind.  Which I did.

Nowhere is it written that "Those who launch website must take it when insulted."  So if you want to fling an insult, have at it.  Just don't be surprised when I speak your language back.

Glad the irony wasn't lost on you.

John

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