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Texas A&M Chancellor Not Happy With ESPN’s Rovell

Angry-man-steam-earsESPN’s coverage of the NCAA’s look-see into Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel and his autograph habits isn’t sitting well most Aggies.  In fact, ESPN reporter Darren Rovell specifically has drawn the ire of Texas A&M chancellor John Sharp.

In an email sent to “Aggie community and business leaders,” Sharp took aim at Rovell and other “members of the media (who) have chosen to declare #2 guilty with no evidence whatsoever.”  He then linked to a correction Rovell once issued while working for CNBC and wrote that “Rovell… has been duped before.”

That wasn’t all.  Sharp also knocked ESPN and one of its sources saying the autograph broker Drew Tieman “was reportedly booked twice for possession of marijuana and placed on four years probation.”  (Oh, well in that case he must be lying about Manziel receiving a five-figure deal to sign autographs.  The guy has smoked marijuana.  Damn hippie.)  “It is surprising that the nation’s largest sports channel would support publication with this lack of corroboration.”

Here’s what we actually know:

 

1.  The NCAA is investigating whether or not Manziel received or asked for money for his autograph.

2.  ESPN broke the story on the NCAA’s investigation and has followed up with multiple claims from autograph brokers and with evidence of thousands of Manziel signatures.

3.  There is no three.

 

To our knowledge, Rovell has not “chosen to declare #2 guilty” as A&M’s chancellor suggests.  He’s written about the allegations several autograph brokers have made.  He’s written that if Manziel received money he would be in violation of NCAA Bylay 12.5.2.1.  But that’s just reporting.

Sharp, and many A&M fans, are doing what fans do anytime a media organization publishes an investigative report — they’re allowing their own passions to cloud what it is they are actually reading.

Would someone at A&M feel like the world is out to get Manziel and that ESPN specifically is claiming his guilt?  Of course.  Is that what’s actually happening?  No.  ESPN is reporting on a story and there are a lot of sources — aside from Tieman — who are willing to discuss Manziel’s multiple autograph sessions.

Here’s what Rovell recently said on ESPN radio regarding the most recent allegations:

 

“We don’t have the dollar figures.  And we don’t have him actually taking money, someone seeing him take money.

In a lot of these rooms (where the signings took place) there were few people.  The first two signings in South Florida, there were much more people in the room, there 15, 20 people in the room.  That was easier to nail down.  But in that case, we were told that he went into a room with his guy, Nate Fitch, and potentially, it’s assumed he was paid there, but not in front of everyone…

The NCAA is not a court of law.  They don’t necessarily have to prove that he got paid beyond a reasonable doubt.  If they think there’s enough circumstantial evidence they can go after him and, as we’ve been talking about, the NCAA is certainly at a crossroads right now.”

 

Sorry, but that’s a simple regurgitation of the facts as presented to ESPN, a network — like all news-gathering bodies — that practices investigative journalism.  ESPN didn’t lead the NCAA to investigate Manziel.  The NCAA’s investigation into Manziel led ESPN to track down some of the autograph brokers who’ve since claimed to them — but not to the NCAA, as far as we know — that Manziel was paid for signing his name.  They’ve also found evidence of more than 4,000 Manziel autographs on the market.

Asked on ESPN’s “Mike & Mike” radio show about the common sense approach — that Manziel had to have been paid for those thousands of autographs — Rovell gave his own opinion:

 

“The greatest narrative that we have is the signings in South Florida with this guy, Drew Tieman, who he met at the airport on January 6th… Drew knew he was coming in.  He was at the airport.  Johnny refused to sign for him for free.  Six hours later he was at his house signing hundreds and hundreds of autographs; in over two days signed 11-hundred pieces for him.  So, again, because the change of money hasn’t been seen by the people we’ve talked to there is a leap here, but I’m sure there are people who say that leap is rational.”

 

A&M fans might not like a reporter giving his opinion on the radio, but Rovell simply gave his view of the issue while stating plainly and clearly that there is no evidence that money changed hands and that he is making “a leap,” even though it appears to be a rational leap.

Aside from saying, “I refuse to give you my opinion,” Rovell did exactly what investigative reporters do.  He laid out the facts, gave his view of them, and then made it clear that it was just one viewpoint.

Aggie fans certainly might not like ESPN’s decision to investigate this story (though ignoring an NCAA investigation into an active Heisman Trophy-winner would be the ultimate cover-up).  But no one in College Station — not even the school’s chancellor — can say that ESPN has declared Manziel guilty.  There’s a difference between saying “the evidence points to this” and “he’s guilty.”  That’s why ESPN and Rovell have been pretty buttoned up in pointing out that there is no proof that money ever changed hands.

Again, there’s nothing unnatural about a school and its fans smearing the reputations of networks, reporters and sources involved in an investigative piece focusing on said school.  And Rovell and others may indeed be leaping to the wrong conclusion.But Rovell making a correction on one story in what’s been a long career doesn’t make him a poor journalist any more than a single speeding ticket by Sharp would make him a terrible driver.  Also, Trieman’s past history with marijuana certainly doesn’t speak to the credibility of the witness, your honor.  How marijuana equates to lying is anyone’s guess.

It is our view that the NCAA will eventually find a way to clear Manziel.  Until then, Aggie Nation should try to see ESPN’s reporting for what it is — investigative journalism.  And if the the four-letter network were targeting a Texas player right now, you’d better believe no one in College Station would be trying to discredit the reports.

 


34 comments
5LittlePiggies
5LittlePiggies

@John at MrSEC You've got to quit using the words "Johnny Manziel" on your site.  It's like throwing rocks at a hornets nest!!! "Sen-si-tive" (read that in Major Payne voice).  

jcgbmt2012
jcgbmt2012

I'm an Aggie and I completely agree with you John. Mr. Sharp as done some good things for A&M since becoming the Chancellor of the A&M System. However, that has come with plenty of opportunities for him to say embarrassing things. Even if it turns out he was right, he still looks bad. Taking the High Road has never been his strong point. 

With that said, something BonzaiB said (" For a senior university official to move from neutral (lets get all the facts in before we make a statement to the public) to attacking the credibility of a reporter (and not on the merits of the specific case, but on the guy smoking grass), puts his own credibility, and A&M's, in question should this escalate.") makes me want to clarify something. John Sharp does NOT work for Texas A&M University. He is the Chancellor of The Texas A&M University System of which Texas A&M is the flagship member. John Sharp happens to be a former student of Texas A&M University as well. The athletic department, Public Relations Department, and the President of Texas A&M University has very little influence, other than a phone call to the System offices, over the Chancellor of the system. John Sharp does not have any control of the day to day operations of the university athletic department nor the compliance office. John Sharp is NOT a "Senior University Official" for Texas A&M. The university itself and those that work for the university has maintained neutrality in the situation.


I understand why his comments are reflecting on the university but the university itself has no control over what the chancellor of the system says.

BonzaiB
BonzaiB

Rovell may be (but not saying he is), a real slouch of a reporter; lazy, not getting his facts straight in 1 to 100 articles, getting duped,etc, etc, etc, but Mr Sharp is being rediculously irresponsible or at best naive by attacking him, in any way, on the article that got all this started. There are three simple reasons why:

1. Johnny Manziel is most likely guilty of doing something wrong here, and even if he does not get nailed on this, he is a loose cannon on deck. Even if the NCAA does not investigate, there is the appearance of impropriety, the breaking of team rules by having unauthorized guests in his room on the Alabama trip, the multiple, and I mean multiple, contacts with people known to engage in autograph selling, and the list goes on. For a senior university official to move from neutral (lets get all the facts in before we make a statement to the public) to attacking the credibility of a reporter (and not on the merits of the specific case, but on the guy smoking grass), puts his own credibility, and A&M's, in question should this escalate. And since we all have seen Manziel doing juvenile and stupid things all summer, there is a real possibility something else is going to pop up, the Board members at A&M should keep their powder dry. If the proverbial hits the fan, no truely independent news outlet or reporter is going to give much of a bump to a guy who not only got it wrong, but attacked the reporter who got it right, no matter how wrong that reporter has been in the past.

2. A&M is known for having an astoundingly good public relations department. Why, when you have some of the best in the business at controlling information, would you cowboy up and put out uncoordinated statements on a very, very hot button issue? That is just not smart, and makes the pro's in the communications departmernt's job that much harder later on.

3. It just keeps the issue from dying down. The more you draw attention to it, the more guys like John Pennington are going to pound on the issue. Mr Pennington's job is to analyze and publish on all things sport in the SEC. Guess what, if Mr Sharp keeps talking about it, Mr Pennington (and thousands of other reporters) are going to analyze what he just said, and in this case, shoot holes in what he just said.

The most dangerous thing for Manziel and A&M right now is Johnny Manziel. You can disagree with parts of point number 1 above, but if you disagree with the part about Manziel being a loose cannon, you may have maroon colored lenses on. I don't have anything against him, but I think he is a self centered, immature young man who has the potential for doing really stupid things. And that means Mr Sharp, that there is a real possibility Manziel could make you look foolish in the end.

alamoaggie08
alamoaggie08

it wouldn't suprise me in the least if johnny is guilty because he's more than capable of doing stupid things, but anyone who hasn't noticed that there is something extremely fishy about these brokers are blinder than bats.
1) the main broker who claimed johnny (or should i say "uncle nate") asked for money has a drug problem and criminal record. he has also removed his social media pages, changed his phone number and won't talk to anyone besides a controversial sports writer who has a history of writing false accusations and having to back track and apologize later on.
2) if johnny's merchandise is making them so much money, why rat him out? which leads to...
3) these brokers have also admitted they hold a grudge against the manziels for copywriting his nickname, forcing them to have to take a bunch of their murchandise off the shelf. sounds like motive to me.
4) if all this happened in january, why are they coming out of the closet now when it's so conveniently close to the beginning of the season?
if the ncaa had any hard evidence or reason to believe these guys, we'd already be hearing about it. again, i'm not saying johnny is innocent and he's not entirely trustworthy, but at the same time is there any reason we should trust a controversial journalist and some sleasey brokers any more than him or the school?

ThrowGlassAtStoneHouses
ThrowGlassAtStoneHouses


There are a few points here that I take issue with, but I will focus on stating that one story in a long career doesn't make him a poor journalist.  Not only was Rovell duped by the fake source in a story -- a source he completely failed to do his due diligence and verify -- in his apology he accepts little to no blame but instead throws the blame on Twitter and people seeking their 15 minutes of fame.  http://www.cnbc.com/id/47709820

More importantly, however, this is NOT a one time thing in Rovell's career.  It's a repeated issue.  Here some evidence from the first page of Google results:

1.) NFL Players Association files a public letter disputing claims from Rovell made in the "Broke" documentary.  Their summary: "When it comes to the NFLPA, Rovell has a track record of bad analysis and uninformed opinion."  Wow.

https://www.nflplayers.com/Articles/Public-News/Letter-to-the-Editor-ESPN/ 

2.) Rovell enters into a twitter battle defending a tweet he made about the inevitable move of the Sacarmento Kings to Seattle and was called out by a beat writer who knew the facts.  The beat writer said: "Keeping it simple here to save time. There is no truth to @darrenrovell's tweet whatsoever."

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/may/twitter-wars-darren-rovell-vs-the-world.html

3.)  Rovell reports onBears defensive lineman Israel Idonije picking up an expensive meal as part of rookie hazing.  The tweet he based his report on was a joke and he did no investigating to confirm the bill was legit.  Instead, the story was updated and corrected with no explanation.

http://deadspin.com/5950631/darren-rovell-gets-duped-again-and-then-edits-his-story-like-nothing-ever-happened

4.)  Rovell and the Fitness Model he claimed he didn't know then had known for a decade only later to recant. 

http://deadspin.com/espns-darren-rovell-and-the-fitness-model-a-brief-his-508858388

I found all of this with a 5 minute Google search.  I wouldn't be shocked if there was much, much more.  I would expect that you guys would do the same before defending him with a comment like this: "But Rovell making a correction on one story in what’s been a long career doesn’t make him a poor journalist any more than a single speeding ticket by Sharp would make him a terrible driver."


Clarence
Clarence

Hey John.  Nice of you to stay neutral.  

BTW, we are the 12th Man, trademarked and all.   Aggie Nation is used by those who do not understand the history of the 12th Man.


Good site.  Keep it up.  So glad the season is almost here.

schwin97
schwin97

I thnk the problem many of us Aggies have is that the reporting seems very one-sided.  You have them report about Manziel, but nothing about the people who supposedly paid him?  You also have them report about Manziel, but I don't remember seeing any investigative reporting on the other athletes that have similar 'proof' that they have been paid for autographs?  People say he brought this on himself, but what did he do to bring this on himself?  The only thing he has done all summer that should be considered bad is getting asked to leave the Manning's academy.  

fig96
fig96

While Rovell's words may say one thing, his actions say another. If you review his past comments towards A&M on Twitter, dating back to the SEC move, he seems to be unnecessarily snarky and harboring a bit of a personal vendetta.


I'd think if this were truly investigative journalism on his part he'd be doing a lot more to investigate the college athletes with just as many or more signatures on the market as Manziel.

Htownsportsfan
Htownsportsfan

Maybe they should use their investigative reporting to talk about all of the players around the country that have been signing autographs for brokers. Singling out Johnny because he's the biggest celebrity in college football is what's upsetting to the Aggies. Other players are getting a slap on the wrist for committing criminal acts yet ESPN is more concerned about Johnny getting kicked out of a college frat party at a former rival university.

gb2074
gb2074

John I generally agree with you on this.  Johnny is obviously responsible for his actions and he's brought this upon himself.  Having said that, I think ESPN has overblown many of the issues Johnny has had this offseason and now that a real issue has come up, it has begun to feel like a witch hunt.  ESPN has escalated this beyond what it has done with other athletes in similar situations.  When ESPN did the Longhorn Network deal, we felt like they were out to get us.  When they do the SEC Network deal, they love us.  Now they hate us again.  Rinse.  Repeat.


BonzaiB
BonzaiB

@Jamesgoss That Sharp is not controlled by Texas A&M has nothing to do with the import of what he says, to those listening. Exactly the opposite. Texas A&M is part of the Texas A&M University system, and Sharp is a Chancellor in that system. He is paid over $507,000 a year in his position, over $50,000 a year more than the president of Texas A&M University. To the world outside listening, he sounds a lot like a state official, who is paid a lot of money by the taxpayer, to oversee things that happen within the system, and who has considerable leverage inside the system (that would include Texas A&M itself), and who is spouting off with an opinion about an issue before the University. My point still stands, he is not making things any better by opening his mouth and attacking a reporter for smoking grass and writing a story critical of his pet quarterback.


Clarence
Clarence

@BonzaiB   #1  Prove it.     # 2. Sharp is a career politician that found his way into academia.   #3.  Offseason is the reason it won't die down.

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@ThrowGlassAtStoneHouses 

Interesting points and fair critique.  If those show -- as you suggest they show -- that Rovell has repeatedly goofed and recanted, then that would speak to his credibility.

Thanks for reading the site,

John

ddv1996
ddv1996

@ThrowGlassAtStoneHouses Please don't bring facts to the media.  It is obvious that members of the media like Rovell have trouble with facts and his media buddies will defend each other at all cost.  It is intellecutally dishonest for them to ignore the facts about Rovell but does that surprise anyone?

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@Clarence 

Thanks for reading the site.  But a quick Google search shows there are plenty of people who use the term "Aggie Nation" for various purposes.  We use it whenever we want to find a different way of saying, "School X's fanbase."  No offense meant.

Again, thanks,

John

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@schwin97 

When the first story came out about Jadeveon Clowney and autographs, I said it would be used as the "Well, he's guilty, too" defense.  And it has been.  Again and again.

The difference between Manziel and Clowney and others -- as far as we know -- is that autograph brokers claimed Manziel asked for and/or received money.  That's what got the NCAA interested and that's what led ESPN to start snooping.

If the NCAA has heard word that Clowney or others got paid, then the NCAA should be investigating them as well.

But that still wouldn't change anything if its found that Manziel asked for or received cash.  If I rob a bank and you rob a bank, but only I get caught... no judge will take it easy on me because I say, "Hey, but schwin97 robbed a bank, too."  I still would have broken the law.

Finally, there has been daily coverage of other players with signed autographs on the web and of one school after another changing its autographing policies.  Tennessee announced a change yesterday.  So there has been coverage of those other stories as well, but A&M fans -- quite naturally -- focus on the Manziel coverage.

Today's story will get blended in with ESPN's coverage of Manziel in a lot of Aggie fans' minds.  Again, that's perfectly natural.  But the story today became news because A&M's own chancellor sent out an email attempting to discredit a source and a reporter.  If not for A&M's chancellor, this particular Manziel story wouldn't be on MrSEC.com in the first place.  So it's not all ESPN chasing Manziel.  

Many thanks for reading the site,
john

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@fig96

I don't know about his past comments about A&M, but if he didn't see the school's move to the SEC as smart in every single way, well, on that front we were smarter than him!

Thanks for reading the site,

John

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@Htownsportsfan 

All those other players aren't under NCAA investigation due to claims that money was exchanged.  That's the difference.

Thanks for reading the site,

John

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@gb2074 

I will simply point out that Ohio State fans felt the same way when ESPN dug into Maurice Clarett and then Tattoo-gate.  Tennessee fans felt the same way when ESPN dug into Bruce Pearl's situation.  Michigan fans felt the same way when ESPN dug into Rich Rodriguez' practice schedule.  

That is the "rinse, repeat" in all of this.

ESPN doesn't hate Texas A&M.  ESPN is trying to uncover news stories.  And the NCAA investigating a Heisman winner is most definitely that.

As for the other offseason stuff, Johnny Manziel turned himself into a celebrity by tweeting his way to 400,000+ followers.  If not for the QB's tweets, ESPN wouldn't have known that he was hanging with LeBron James and Drake.  And the network certainly wouldn't have knowm that Manziel wanted out of College Station.  The recent ESPN The Magazine piece was a product of the Manziels inviting a reporter to spend a day with them... and then them not watching what they said or did in front of him.

I'm not a pro-ESPN guy or an anti-A&M guy.  I just know that every fanbase feels ESPN is out to get their school.  I can relate to that, because I get regular emails from all 14 SEC fanbases saying that we here at MrSEC.com are out to get their school.  Sometimes a story is just a story and not conspiracy.

Many thanks for reading our site,

John

VolCrush
VolCrush

@gb2074johnny boy brought it all on himself. i don't recall any other elite college QBs or heisman winners dropping the "i'm 20 and can party" excuse

jcgbmt2012
jcgbmt2012

@BonzaiB@Jamesgoss "That Sharp is not controlled by Texas A&M has nothing to do with the import of what he says, to those listening. Exactly the opposite." Did you read my post? I said that Sharp is embarrassing A&M.

"Texas A&M is part of the Texas A&M University system," Yes

"and Sharp is a Chancellor in that system" THE Chancellor. Semantics.

"He is paid over $507,000 a year in his position, over $50,000 a year more than the president of Texas A&M University." Not really sure of the relevancy of his paycheck. But I will point out that Loftin oversees one university. Sharp oversees one system that includes 11 universities and 7 state agencies.

"To the world outside listening, he sounds a lot like a state official," Last time I checked The A&M System is still a state agency so yes he is.

"who is paid a lot of money by the taxpayer," Yes

"to oversee things that happen within the system," Here's where you start to venture off and make assumptions. Do you really think the Chancellor of a System of 11 universities and 7 agencies is really "overseeing" the day to day concerns of the athletic department at one university? No. He oversees the overall university and how it performs as a whole as well as the other 10 universities and 7 agencies. 

"and who has considerable leverage inside the system (that would include Texas A&M itself)," I did not dispute his leverage over anything. Just that he does not see the inside of the compliance department at A&M nor does he get actively involved in any decision making regarding manziel, the investigation, or anything else involving the situation. I also said that the university cannot control what he says to the media like the university can control those within itself. 

"and who is spouting off with an opinion about an issue before the University. My point still stands, he is not making things any better by opening his mouth and attacking a reporter for smoking grass and writing a story critical of his pet quarterback." Once again, I agree with you. What he is saying only makes him look stupid and embarrasses the university. I never disputed your point on that. However, I will dispute the part where you say he was attacking a reporter for smoking grass. Not what happened. He attacked the credibility of a reporter's source he was arrested for possession of marijuana. Slightly different thing.

However, what John Sharp did say was exactly what you called it: Opinion. His remarks were his opinion and were not the official opinions of the President, Athletic Department, or Compliance Office of Texas A&M.

 I know that everyone is using what he said against the university but all I was trying to do is make people understand that he isn't involved in this situation that is on the department level at a University. To attribute his opinion as that of A&M's would be like attributing the opinions of any one regent on the system board or the Governor of the State of Texas to the university.

ThrowGlassAtStoneHouses
ThrowGlassAtStoneHouses

@BonzaiB @Jamesgoss Get your facts right if you're going to bash.  At NO point in time was Sharp attacking the reporter for smoking grass.  He was questioning the integrity of a key figure in the story by saying he had a history of criminal misconduct, not the author of the story.

ThrowGlassAtStoneHouses
ThrowGlassAtStoneHouses

@ddv1996 @ThrowGlassAtStoneHousesI don't know if that's a fair assessment on this situation.  I don't think MrSEC.com is protecting Rovell because Rovell is in the media.  There are plenty of media people who have absolutely blasted Rovell in the past and some that have taken issue with the way he's handled the Manziel story. 

It's also worth noting that ESPN.com has altered the original Outside The Lines story to remove a line about no sources saying they saw money change hands.  There is also no editors note explaining the alteration.

Clarence
Clarence

@John at MrSEC @Clarence  No offense taken.  Check out what this great reporter wrote a year ago over the billboard in Gainesville...

Aggie fans immediately picked up on the whole “Aggie Nation” thing.  For those SEC’ers just getting to know A&M, apparently it’s Aggieland, not Aggie Nation… at least according to the many, many angry A&M fans I’ve heard from in the past 24 hours.  For that reason, A&M VP of marketing and communications Jason Cook — like many Aggie fans — suspects that someone other than a pro-A&M person put up the billboard.

“Texas A&M fans do not refer to themselves as the Aggie Nation… We refer to ourselves either as the Aggie Network or the Twelfth Man,” Cook said.

http://mrsec.com/2012/09/a-aggie-fans-react-but-who-was-behind-it/

fig96
fig96

@John at MrSEC @schwin97 I agree that the "Well, he's guilty too" defense isn't necessarily fair, but if that's the case then mass signings shouldn't be cause for investigation either.

Many have said that there's no way Manziel signed that many items for free, if the numbers are accurate. But many seem to using that as reason to declare him guilty while apparently believing that every other player is doing mass signings out of the goodness of their heart.

crazzyyhorse
crazzyyhorse

@John at MrSEC @schwin97 So you say Manziel "asked for or received cash" - and that is not leading?  You are making Sharp's case about hype journalism easy.

schwin97
schwin97

@John at MrSEC @schwin97 

So ESPN has started snooping around Manziel getting paid for autographs because the NCAA was investigating it - makes sense...  So Rovell has been investigating, and due to the investigation he comes to the conclusion that, "...all brokers pay. (tweet from Rovell on Aug 12)"  So if that is his conclusion, why doesn't he work on that part of the story at all with all the other items on the market?  I understand that most likely none of the brokers will say anything about those other athletes, but doesn't that then lead to question why Manziel???  If these brokers won't talk about any other athlete, and he believes every broker pays, why will they say Manizel's name, but no other name?  This is what lends me to believe he has an agenda that isn't investigative reporting, but more sensationalized reporting.  

Many thanks for the site - great information to be found here.


fig96
fig96

@John at MrSEC There are many crow eaters, particularly Texas-based ones, that have some fun tweets from about 12 months ago on the A&M SEC move :)

As per Rovell, check his tweets tonight for a case in point. He's got half a dozen tweets about what A&M boosters paid for items at a donor auction, only one mentions Manziel. Seems just inflammatory with no real purpose.

crazzyyhorse
crazzyyhorse

@John at MrSEC @gb2074 "out to get their school" is not the right sense in my book.  More like what Sharp alludes to when he says, "hype journalism".  Its clear than Manziel is a lighting rod right now.  Build 'em up, tear 'em down, put the comeback on 30 for 30.

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@ddv1996 @ThrowGlassAtStoneHouses 

Yeah.  I always protect my media buddies.  Like Mike Bianchi today... or the headline writer on the Chris Ash piece yesterday.  I'm tight in the fraternity.

And you are the kind of fan I talk about when I say "blinded by their own passions."

John

ddv1996
ddv1996

@ThrowGlassAtStoneHouses @ddv1996 Mr SEC knew what he was writing.  He either had an agenda to ignore and be dishonest about Rovell or he is too lazy to do research about Rovell.  It is either one or the other.

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