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UM, MSU: Masters Of Cupcakery… UGA, VU: SEC’s Toughest Schedulers

cupcakes1When it comes to pastries, no SEC school takes as many trips to the corner bakery as Ole Miss.  Over the past five years, the Rebels have played a whopping six schools from the FCS level.  Worse, their non-conference schedule has featured just two schools — two in five years — from BCS automatic-qualifier conferences (ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big XII, and Pac-12).

No one in the SEC — not even Mississippi State — has feasted on as many cupcakes and creampuffs as the gang from Oxford.  And MSU has nibbled on its share of sponge cake.

On the other end of the spectrum are Vanderbilt and Georgia.  Some might say that the BCS-level foes they’ve scheduled haven’t always been atop their conferences, but at least they’re playing power-conference competition.  Both schools have scheduled 10 games against squads from BCS automatic-qualifiers over the last five seasons.

For comparison’s sake, we’ve gone back through the 2008 season to see which SEC schools have done the best and worst jobs of non-conference scheduling.  We’ve decided to include Missouri and Texas A&M even though they’ve spent just one year in the SEC.  But keep in mind the Big XII played nine league games in 2011.  So both A&M and Mizzou faced one less non-conference foe between ’08 and ’12 than their new SEC roomies.

In addition, please remember that those recent matchups between Texas A&M and Arkansas were non-conference games until last season.

One last note: We’re well aware of the schedule quirks, broken contracts, and state legislators’ desires that have forced your favorite school to line up games with tin cans on occasion.  And to paraphrase a Tommy Lee Jones’ line from “The Fugitive,” we don’t care.  Below is a simple look at how the SEC’s teams have handled non-conference scheduling in recent years.  It is what it is.

The categories used are “actual competition” (BCS conference foes), “cannon fodder” (teams from non-AQ FBS leagues or independents), and “cupcakes” (FCS-level opponents).

Enjoy…

 

Alabama

Actual Competition: 6 — Clemson, Duke, Michigan, Penn State (2), Virginia Tech

Cannon Fodder: 10 — Arkansas State, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Kent State, North Texas (2), San Jose State, Tulane, Western Kentucky (2)

Cupcakes: 4 — Georgia State, Georgia Southern, UT-Chattanooga, Western Carolina

Thoughts: Nick Saban has been pushing the SEC to add another conference game.  He’s also in favor power-conference teams playing only other power-conference teams.  But he’s not an idiot.  Until everyone gets on the same page, he won’t be trying to lead the way with Bama’s schedule.  Still, he’s been more than willing to open seasons against name competition.

2013 Schedule: Virginia Tech, Colorado State, Georgia State, UT-Chattanooga

 

Arkansas

Actual Competition: 5 — Rutgers, Texas, Texas A&M (3)

Cannon Fodder: 10 — Eastern Michigan, Louisiana-Monroe (3), New Mexico, Troy (2), Tulsa (2), UTEP

Cupcakes: 5 — Jacksonville State, Missouri State (2), Tennessee Tech, Western Illinois

Thoughts: Meh.  The Hogs haven’t exactly lined up the best of the best of the best over the last few years.  (Hey, another line from a Tommy Lee Jones’ flick.)  Texas and pre-SEC Texas A&M were good games, but Arkansas’ cannon fodder games were truly that.  Then you toss in five games against FCS cupcakes.  Was any Razorback fan happy to plunk down cash to see any of the last 10 schools on that list?  Happily Bret Bielema and AD Jeff Long are locking up future non-conference games against quality foes from the Hogs’ old Southwest Conference days.

2013 Schedule: Louisiana-Lafayette, Samford, Southern Miss, Rutgers

 

Auburn

Actual Competition: 5 — Clemson (3), West Virginia (2)

Cannon Fodder: 10 — Arkansas State, Ball State, Florida Atlantic, Louisiana-Monroe (3), Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, Southern Miss, Utah State

Cupcakes: 5 — Alabama A&M, Furman, Samford, UT-Chattanooga, UT-Martin

Thoughts: The same as above.  Auburn had five marquee non-conference games in the last five years.  Their remaining 15 non-conference contests were dreck.  This year’s non-con slate looks to provide more of the same.

2013 Schedule: Washington State, Arkansas State, Western Carolina, Florida Atlantic

 

Florida

Actual Competition: 7 — Florida State (5), Miami (FL), South Florida

Cannon Fodder: 8 — Bowling Green, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Hawaii, Louisiana-Lafayette, Miami (OH), Troy, UAB

Cupcakes: 5 — Appalachian State, Charleston Southern, The Citadel, Furman, Jacksonville State

Thoughts: Kudos to Florida.  The Gators have their built-in season-ender with Florida State yet they’ve still managed to schedule some other BCS foes (Miami and South Florida) as well as one interesting intersectional matchup against non-AQ team (Hawaii).  FAU and FIU might have even provided some local interest for fans in the Sunshine State.  With both Miami and FSU on the schedule again this year, UF gets a pass for lining up an FCS creampuff every year.

2013 Schedule: Toledo, Miami (FL), Georgia Southern, Florida State

 

Georgia

Actual Competition: 10 — Arizona State (2), Boise State, Colorado, Georgia Tech (5), Oklahoma State

Cannon Fodder: 5 — Buffalo, Central Michigan, Florida Atlantic, Louisiana-Lafayette, New Mexico State

Cupcakes: 5 — Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern (2), Idaho State, Tennessee Tech

Thoughts: There are a lot of people who look at Georgia’s talent and the Bulldogs long run of success who ask, “When’s Mark Richt gonna win a BCS title?”  First, those aren’t easy to come by.  Second, they’re especially not easy to come by when you play eight SEC contests and you schedule 10 games in five years against BCS-level competition.  UGA brass could try to slide by claiming Georgia Tech is their marquee non-conference game each season but they don’t.  They’ve played some name schools.  More name schools than anybody else in the SEC since 2008.  And that will continue in 2013 with both Clemson and Tech on the calendar.  A big hurrah for guts.

2013 Schedule: Clemson, North Texas, Appalachian State, Georgia Tech

 

Kentucky

Actual Competition: 5 — Louisville (5)

Cannon Fodder: 10 — Akron, Central Michigan, Kent State, Louisiana-Monroe, Miami (OH), MTSU, Western Kentucky (4)

Cupcakes: 5 — Charleston Southern, Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State, Norfolk State, Samford

Thoughts: Pathetic.  Kentucky is experiencing a mini-revival this offseason thanks to the early work of new coach Mark Stoops.  But if UK is going to seriously take a step forward in football — which it’s fully capable of doing — the Wildcats will eventually have to schedule like men.  Or else they’ll run the risk of Dan Mullen’ing their program (more on that in a minute).  Western Kentucky with Bobby Petrino will probably be even more challenging in the years ahead, but when your only “name” game each year is one that’s practically forced on you by the state legislature it’s not a good thing.

2013 Schedule: Western Kentucky, Miami (OH), Louisville, Alabama State

 

LSU

Actual Competition: 6 — North Carolina, Oregon, Washington (2), West Virginia (2)

Cannon Fodder: 10 — Idaho, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana Tech, North Texas (2), Troy, Tulane (2), Western Kentucky

Cupcakes: 4 — Appalachian State, McNeese State, Northwestern State, Towson

Thoughts: Like Alabama, the Tigers aren’t afraid of playing quality, BCS-level competition at home, on the road or at a neutral site.  Good for them.  Now, the Tigers’ cannon fodder games are bad — aside from the Tulane rivalry which should not have been killed — but it’s hard to grumble when a school lines up dates with Oregon, West Virginia, TCU and their ilk.  As for Towson… what the hell were you thinking, Les?

2013 Schedule: TCU, UAB, Kent State, Furman

 

Mississippi State

Actual Competition: 2 — Georgia Tech (2)

Cannon Fodder: 13 — Houston (2), Louisiana Tech (2), Memphis (2), MTSU (3), South Alabama, Troy, UAB (2)

Cupcakes: 5 — Alcorn State, Jackson State (2), Southeastern Louisiana, UT-Martin

Thoughts: Uh, thank God for Ole Miss?  If not for their cross-state rivals the Bulldogs would be at the bottom of the SEC barrel in terms of recent non-con scheduling.  State has played two games against one BCS-level school (Georgia Tech) since 2008.  All looked great early last season as MSU raced up the national polls by beating dunce after dunce.  Then came squads with actual winning records and the Dogs dropped five of their last six including their bowl game.  Call it “athletic diabetes,” but there’s a danger in feasting on too many pastries.  A tip of the cap as Mullen and AD Scott Stricklin have developed some courage and scheduled a neutral site game with Oklahoma State this season.  ‘Bout time.

2013 Schedule: Oklahoma State, Alcorn State, Troy, Bowling Green

 

Missouri

Actual Competition: 6 — Arizona State (2), Illinois (3), Syracuse

Cannon Fodder: 8 — Bowling Green, Buffalo, Central Florida, Miami (OH) (2), Nevada (2), San Diego State

Cupcakes: 5 — Furman, McNeese State, Southeast Missouri State, Southeastern Louisiana, Western Illinois

Thoughts: The Tigers played one less non-conference game than their new SEC compatriots, but they still managed to schedule six games against BCS-level foes.  They didn’t schedule Ohio State or Oregon, but at least they dared to play some decent programs.  Overall, Mizzou’s slate featured some West Coast variety (Arizona State, Nevada, San Diego State) that’s not often seen in the SEC.  We’ll be interested to see what Missouri decides to do in the future — does the school go the safe route and schedule pansies for the purposes of bowl eligibility or will it mix in at least one quality foe per year?  That 2013 schedule certainly won’t wow anyone.

2013 Schedule: Murray State, Toledo, Indiana, Arkansas State

 

Ole Miss

Actual Competition: 2 — Texas, Wake Forest

Cannon Fodder: 12 — BYU, Fresno State (2), Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana Tech, Memphis (2), Tulane (2), UAB, UTEP

Cupcakes: 6 — Central Arkansas, Jacksonville State, Northern Arizona, Samford, Southeastern Louisiana, Southern Illinois

Thoughts:  Ridiculous.  Two games against power-conference teams?  Two?  In five years?  And one of those was Wake Forest?  Throw in all those FCS opponents — with another on this year’s schedule — and the less said about Mississippi’s scheduling the better.  At least they scheduled that home-and-home with Texas.

2013 Schedule: Southeast Missouri State, Texas, Idaho, Troy

 

South Carolina

Actual Competition: 7 — Clemson (5), NC State (2)

Cannon Fodder: 8 — East Carolina (2), Florida Atlantic, Navy, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB (2)

Cupcakes: 5 — The Citadel, Furman, South Carolina State, Wofford (2)

Thoughts: Like Florida, Carolina could point to its annual battle with Clemson and dodge other big-conference foes.  But Steve Spurrier and the Cocks haven’t done that.  They’ve played NC State twice and will open this season against North Carolina.  Granted, NCSU and UNC aren’t living in the national top 10 these days, but those are at least draws for Carolina’s fans.  There’s been a lot of talk about declines in ticket-buying in recent months — some other SEC schools should start paying attention — so creating a schedule with some interesting games is more important now than ever.  This season USC will face the other Carolina, a UCF squad that went 10-4 last season, and Clemson.  That’s solid work.

2013 Schedule: North Carolina, Central Florida, Coastal Carolina, Clemson

 

Tennessee

Actual Competition: 5 — Cincinnati, NC State, Oregon, UCLA (2)

Cannon Fodder: 12 — Akron, Buffalo, Memphis (2), MTSU, Northern Illinois, Ohio, Troy, UAB (2), Western Kentucky, Wyoming

Cupcakes: 3 — Georgia State, Montana, UT-Martin

Thoughts: Tennessee has long been the most daring schedule-maker in the SEC.  The Volunteers almost always have some marquee program on their slate and that’s not changing.  Not only will UT tangle with Oregon in Eugene this season, but on the docket in coming years are home-and-home dates with Oklahoma and Nebraska.  Sprinkle in another home-and-home with UConn and it’s almost enough to make you forget that UT’s previous coach and AD bought their way out of a game at North Carolina a couple of seasons back.  Heck, since the Volunteers have only played three FCS foes since 2008, we’ll just go ahead drop that Carolina-for-Buffalo swap.

2013 Schedule: Austin Peay, Western Kentucky, Oregon, South Alabama

 

Texas A&M

Actual Competition: 4 — Arkansas (3), Miami (FL)

Cannon Fodder: 12 — Arkansas State, Army, Florida International, Idaho, Louisiana Tech (2), New Mexico (2), SMU (2), UAB, Utah State

Cupcakes: 3 — Sam Houston State, South Carolina State, Stephen F. Austin

Thoughts: As was the case with Missouri, A&M played one less non-conference game over the last five years than all the other SEC schools.  The Aggies have only faced four BCS-level foes since ’08.  Last year they were forced due to their conference jump to take on two FCS opponents.  One of them — Sam Houston State — is back on the schedule this year along with some other in-state ne’er-do-wells.  Not impressive at all.  TAMU recently inked a deal for a pair of games with Oregon in 2018 and 2019, but Kevin Sumlin and Eric Hyman need to kick their scheduling into another gear if they want to become a perennial national title contender (like Alabama and LSU).

2013 Schedule: Rice, Sam Houston State, SMU, UTEP

 

Vanderbilt

Actual Competition: 10 — Duke, Georgia Tech, Northwestern (2), Wake Forest (4), UConn (2)

Cannon Fodder: 7 — Army (2), Eastern Michigan, Miami (OH), Rice (2), UMass

Cupcakes: 3 — Elon, Presbyterian, Western Carolina

Thoughts: Ten power-conference foes for the Commodores?  Kudos.  And before anyone suggests the squads Vandy has played haven’t been juggernauts, remember that UConn, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech have all been to BCS bowl in recent years.  Vanderbilt has been creating a challenging schedule for itself and AD David Williams deserves applause for that.  Matter of fact, while Vandy’s cupcake games have been real stinkeroos — Elon?  Presbyterian? — they’ve only played three such games in the last five years (with Austin Peay becoming Number Four this fall).  No, James Franklin’s schedule isn’t on par with some of the league’s big boys, but its a far sight better than some schools (like those in the Magnolia State, for example).

2013 Schedule: Austin Peay, UMass, UAB, Wake Forest

 

One last note for you… the next time SEC expansion becomes a hot topic, maybe someone should start pushing for Louisiana-Monroe to get an invite.  The Warhawks have played ten games against SEC foes since 2007 and they collected a win at Alabama (2007) and at Arkansas (last season) in that time.  They also took Auburn to overtime at Jordan-Hare Stadium last year.

Toss in upcoming games with LSU in 2014 and Georgia in 2015 and Louisiana-Monroe qualifies as the SEC’s de facto fifteenth team.

 


15 comments
Speedy98
Speedy98

My one complaint is you give credit to UF for creating "Local intrest" intrest in playing FIU an FAU, and you say that LSU should not have canceled a game against traditional rival Tulane.  Then you say you are not impessed with the Aggies because they are playing three in state Non-AQ FBS teams.  Two of those three were in the Southwest Confrenece with the Aggies and create tremedous intrest among the fan base (especially those of us old enough to have gone to A&M during the SWC days).  Actually, even UTEP is an intresting game this year seeing as Showers will be their starting QB.

Quidam65
Quidam65

I think that Sam Houston State should be upgraded to Cannon Fodder status.  Though an FCS school they are the two-time and recent national FCS runners-up.

Of course A&M would like to have kept Texas on its schedule, but Texas would rather face the Aggies of New Mexico State instead (seriously, NMSU is one of Texas' opponents this year) and has no interest in renewing the rivalry.  And Baylor is just as bad or even worse, never mind that A&M is one of the few opponents that would actually be OK with playing a game in Waco.

WillieT
WillieT

With somewhere in the neighborhood of 130 FBS schools, it is high time the SEC at the very least, stopped scheduling scrimmages against FCS opponents. Heck, the top half of the league plays a more competitive team when going against it's own practice squad!

The ONLY excuse with any shred of validity for scheduling a FCS opponent is that said opponent is an in-state, state supported institution therefore the cash payment to that institution remains within the state. When Florida used to be chided for not leaving the state for a road game before November, they were at least helping support state funded colleges within their own state. A fact that should not be lost on Florida tax payers. (Yes, I'm an accountant).

Even so, this is still a lame excuse as most states within the SEC footprint have at least one or two FBS programs that fit the "Cannon fodder" definition of MrSEC.  I would suggest that the league adopt a scheduling policy of 9 league games following the 6-1-2 format where the two rotating cross-division opponents rotate annually. That puts the reciprocal game 4-years out and ensures that everyone plays everyone within a 4-year cycle. Yes, you'll see some teams your senior year that you saw your freshman year, but if you redshirted, you didn't play them then anyway. This would leave open 3 non conference slots to fill. One should come from a top-tier conference. the other two, from FBS programs located within the SEC footprint. Playing your two "Cannon fodder" games against schools within the footprint helps to "give back to the community" the dollars go back to communities where the SEC dominates anyway.

Frozenreb
Frozenreb

Couple notes on Ole Miss. In the 2010, Ole Miss had an agreement to play TCU, but TCU backed out late, forcing Ole Miss to schedule a second FCS school that year. In 2011, Ole Miss was scheduled to play Boise St in the Chick fil A Kickoff Classic until ESPN got involved and had that Ole Miss switched with Georgia and set up the game with BYU to start the season. Ole Miss is now scheduled to play Boise in next years Kickoff Classic. Also, I agree with Utahreb in that BYU is more respected nationally than a lot of "big boy conference" members. and when the Fresno St series was scheduled, they were a consistent fringe Top 25 team. Boise St just kind of took the torch from them and ran with it. There is definitely room for improvement but Ole Miss was not just completely avoiding big time opponents.I agree that teams should avoid playing FCS schools. However, playing 7 home games is too lucrative to pass up and there are only so many FBS teams available and willing to play a road game without a return trip

the_voice
the_voice

Chicken a la king anyone? Hats off to Georgia and Vandy for adding a notable dose of beef to their diet. EVERYONE needs at least 10 real games/year and no FCS jokes (unless they can figure out how to scrimmage FCS teams for spring practice).

UtahReb
UtahReb

I would like to know what the author(s) was smoking while writing this. The arrogance toward the smaller conferences is laughable. I am going to take issue on several classifications.

First I am no BYU fan, but to classify the Cougars as cannon fodder is ridiculous. Do you not realize that over the past five years they have a winning record against BCS conferences, including an upset of No. 1 Oklahoma.

Second, how in the world can you classify Duke and Colorado as actual competition? Duke has not had a winning season during the five-year period, and Colorado has been horrible with a whopping 17-43 record. (Note: I am only highlighting Duke and Colorado, but there are several others (from the Big 5) that I can make a strong case against.)

Third, did you bother watching Louisiana Tech play the past two years? The Bulldogs were not cannon fodder, just ask the teams from the ACC, Big 10 and SEC if they are cannon fodder. Even though A&M beat Tech last year (59-57) I am sure Sumlin and crew would not classify Tech as cannon fodder. What a joke!

We know you have an agenda due to your open desire for a nine-game conference schedule, but this article makes you look silly.

The reality is that there are good football programs from the non-AQ conferences.

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@Speedy98 

My view is that it's one thing to play one such school per year... it's something else to play three of them in one season.  Just my take.

Thanks for reading the site,

John

meansonny
meansonny

@WillieT I disagree with your grievance.  Every school has a lame duck on their schedule.  Why would you complain about the SEC?  And if you look at the top half of the SEC (it's the tough half where the strength of schedule matters anyway), each team puts together a solid opponent.  I agree that there should be 2 solid opponents (see UGA, UF, USCe).  But most other conferences aren't littered with teams that have 2 AQ opponents on the schedule with several of those games on the road.

The lame ducks don't require the return visit.  There is no need to fill up the schedule with 12 home and homes.  Get 10 in most years (occasionally 9) and fill in with the lame ducks on top of it.

Instead of complaining about the weakest teams on the schedule, why don't you focus more on the games that matter like the top 6 games on the schedule.  How tough are they?  A weak opponent is a weak opponent.  I don't care if it is Buffalo or Georgia Southern.  What's the difference?  Focus where it matters.  The top 2 OOC games each season is the place to start.

meansonny
meansonny

@the_voice I don't see the point complaining about the FCS.  Why would someone focus on the 12th toughest game on the schedule when games 6-9 leave much to be desired.  I'll never understand why Buffalo or Arkansas State is considered any better than Georgia Southern.  A patsy is a patsy is a patsy.  Instead of focusing on the weakest team, focus where it matters.  At the top of the strength of schedule (AQ OOC road games, how tough is the conference, is there a CCG?)

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@UtahReb 

That's quite the impassioned argument.

But you might want to take it up with Nick Saban (who's trumpeting a world in which power conference teams play only against one another), the commissioners of the five major conferences (who are squeezing the smaller conferences out of the biggest bowls and the lion's share of new playoff money), and NCAA president Mark Emmert (who has said a division of only the power conferences could exist inside the NCAA). 

Teams from smaller conferences can certainly be good.  They can beat teams from bigger conferences.  In fact I clearly mentioned Louisiana-Monroe's success against a pair of SEC squads at the very bottom of this story.  Even an FCS team (Appy State versus Michigan, Jacksonville State versus Ole Miss) can slay a giant on occasion.

But with the difference in resources between the haves and have-nots... those non-AQ and FCS schools aren't SUPPOSED to beat teams from bigger conferences.

Which makes them -- sorry about this -- cannon fodder when taken as a whole.  SEC fans expect their teams to beat teams from the MAC and Mountain West and Conference-USA.  Just listen for the yelps, screams, and obscenities when they do not.

Now, if you still don't grasp all that, then I'm afraid you've failed to read the writing on the wall when it comes to a future college football world in which the big boys break away and form their own division.

Many thanks for reading the site,

John



meansonny
meansonny

This is a good piece.  There are obvious issues with some of the placement of teams.  It appears that a clear/cut line was drawn to help categorize the competition.  Maybe it is simpler this way.  Maybe that gets more web hits from upset fans.

The only thing that could make it more detailed is describing who traveled where for their OOC away games.  There is an obvious difference between playing a team at home or a neutral stadium (especially if that neutral stadium is closer to  your home than the opponent) versus going out on the road into an actual hostile environment.

Still.  I appreciate you putting this together.  Thanks.

meansonny
meansonny

@John at MrSEC @UtahReb    You are talking about the future of college football, yet you are looking backwards the past 5 years for 100% of your piece.  Is that irony?  Or poor journalism?

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@meansonny @John at MrSEC 

I chose to include Boise State as an "actual competition" team because a) they have been the most successful non-AQ team in the country and b) they've been scheduled to change conferences so many times in the last three years (AQ, non-AQ, etc) that I simply gave 'em the benefit of the doubt.  Unlike the other non-AQ teams listed above, Boise State was clearly the "best of the rest" when Georgia agreed to play them.

Still, if someone wants to list BSU as "cannon fodder," that'd be fine with me.  Whether they're a good program or not, UGA fans certainly weren't happy about losing to them.

Thanks again,

John

meansonny
meansonny

@John at MrSEC - Very good and fair response.  I noticed that you chose to place Boise in the Actual Competition category.  There was a judgment call there as they weren't AQ status at the time.  And to be true to your ideal would be to have left them in the Cannon Fodder category.

 I don't really take any issue with the article (or your placement of teams... as you said, people weren't going to be happy regardless of how they lined up).  I understand your connection with the teams placement and the ideal of college football moving forward.  I just took exception to an entire piece dedicated to the past 5 years scheduling habits and a reply to another reader about the future of football (which is obviously different than the past 5 years scheduling habits).

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@meansonny @John at MrSEC @UtahReb 

The piece focused on scheduling practices.  

My response to someone who was arguing the strength and legitimacy of Louisiana Tech and other non-AQ teams was to point out that the power brokers of the football world -- fair or not -- view the big guys as BIG GUYS and the little guys as little guys.  They see a clear division between the two types of teams and just about every schedule debate this offseason has focused on the number of BCS teams conferences will demand their teams play.  For that reason, we assigned the term "cannon fodder" to non-AQ teams because they should be underdogs against the more monied programs, "cupcakes" for FCS teams, and "actual competition" for fellow BCS-level teams.

Nothing that goes on this site is written with the intention of making fans angry.  To be blunt that's cheap, I don't do it and I don't have any respect for anyone who does that (though some folks have gotten very rich by trolling brilliantly).  No matter how I chose to break down teams for this exercise, there were going to be complaints.  That goes with the territory.  

Foolishly, I sometimes choose to respond to questions or positive or negative comments in these boxes.  That usually leads to complaints as well.

Thanks for reading the site,

John

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