Albama Arkansas Auburn Florida Georgia Kentucky LSU Mississippi State Missouri Ole-Miss USC Tennessee Texas A&M Vanderbilt
Latest News

Sources: The Big Ten Did Expansion “Homework” On Vanderbilt, Kansas & Oklahoma

vandy-university-logoWhen the smoke cleared following the ACC’s announcement of its new grant of rights agreement, we mentioned that there still be some talk of the Big Ten chasing an SEC team like Kentucky, Missouri or Vanderbilt.  According to The Omaha World-Herald, at least one of those schools was researched by Jim Delany and crew.

Citing sources “from conference offices and major college athletic departments,” The World-Herald’s Lee Barkfknecht says there are a lot of folks who still don’t believe a grant of rights is any more powerful than a regular ol’ exit fee.  He also wrote:

 

“As a sidenote, two sources have told The World-Herald that the Big Ten has done prior ‘homework’ on Oklahoma, Kansas and Vanderbilt among other schools who might some day be expansion targets.  The Big 12 grant-of-rights deal didn’t stop a look-see for OU and KU.”

 

MrSEC.com prediction: The big story that will be written and re-written about all summer long — how ironclad are grants of rights?

For those worried about an SEC defection, don’t bet on one.  The league has no official grant-of-rights contract and it also has no exit fee, but there’s a reason.  No school will walk away from the millions upon millions of dollars the conference’s members stand to make with the new SEC Network and the bundling of the league’s television and digital rights with ESPN.

 


26 comments
Jimisawesome
Jimisawesome

This is nothing new even the B1G office publically stated they did homework on something like 20 schools during the time they added Nebraska.  Vandy was one of the schools leaked before the Nebraska add.  I am sure that there are a few other schools the B1G looked at in the SEC too namely UF.  Just because they did their homework does not mean that either side was every close to thinking it was a possibility.  But if UF was willing of course the B1G or any other conference would listen. 

mutigersbball
mutigersbball

I can say as a Missouri fan that any talk of a move to the Big Ten (or any other conference) is pretty ridiculous. There were more than a few Mizzou fans who originally wanted to be in the Big Ten, but the thought of uprooting ourselves yet AGAIN is extraordinarily unappealing. We know we can compete in the SEC. One rough season doesn't make that a real concern for anyone but the most fainthearted of our fans. And much more importantly we don't want to become nomads in the conference realignment game. Again, it's not happening. I realize that after last season, few people in the SEC outside of Columbia are enthused about Mizzou....but I'm afraid ya'll are stuck with us for the foreseeable future.

sojourner
sojourner

vandy to the b1g?  the big ten offers nothing that vandy doesn't already have, and in leaving, vandy would be walking away from the privilege of playing in the best athletic conference in the country.  they could look at a future of being a perennial homecoming team or playing who cares games with the likes of illinois and minnesota.  it should be even less likely now that they've found a pulse in their football program. 

mizzourfw
mizzourfw

So maybe if Kansas joins the Big Ten they'd consider playing Missouri again? Since, you know, Missouri had the audicity to leave the Big 12 and should never have considered leaving for a better, and more stable conference?

I4Bama
I4Bama

The Big Ten looking at Vandy proves they care about only two numbers:

1) How far they can stick their noses in the air

2) How much money they make

Probably in that order.  What else could Vandy possibly offer the Big Ten?  Another state to claim?  I hardly think ESPN or anyone else would consider the acquisition of Vandy to be the addition of lots of new viewers.  Having been to an Alabama game in Nashville where Crimson outnumbered gold at least four-to-one, I could attest to the lack thereof.

DanHogan
DanHogan

I doubt it would happen, but even if the Big Ten did steal a team or two, they wouldn't be deal-breakers for the SEC.  We're probably talking Mizzou and/or Vandy.  The SEC was doing awfully well before Mizzou was added and would do just as well in the weird circumstance where they left. 

And I don't think this is really about the Big Ten 'dreaming' about it.  It sounds more like due diligence.   If you are going to look at UMd or UNC or Nebraska or Texas or whoever, then you better look at Mizzou, Oklahoma, and Vandy.  

And don't forget, folks, the CIC brings in or saves a ton of money.  It's money that outweighs athletic money.  It would be crazy but not San-Diego-State-to-the-Big-East crazy.

REAL_UK_FAN
REAL_UK_FAN

Keep dreaming, Big 10.  Keep dreaming.

SJSPEED
SJSPEED

MR. Sec

please take a look at Cincinnati....Bearcat football would sell out, or at least come close, for Sec home games at 70,000 seat Paul Brown Stadium.  Upgrade for your basketball schools.  Nice partner and, i believe, would be a good rivalry with UK.  nice t.v market, and with an Sec backing, could possibly rival osu in 5 to 10 years.  not to mention very fertile Cincy/Ohio recruiting that would even get more exposure for all Sec schools.  just a thought....Cat's are in a tough spot right now, but with the backing of the powerful Sec brand, could become a viable member and asset for the conference. 

DanHogan
DanHogan

@Jimisawesome Absolutely.  Due diligence.  And, to my knowledge, we don't know how much work they did on those 20 or so schools.  Really, "doing their homework" could be anywhere from deep ongoing discussions with university leadership to reading their Wikipedia page. 

TheN8tureBoy
TheN8tureBoy

@mutigersbball Mizzou, I'm glad to have you. You are a solid cultural fit and make the rest of us look smarter. Thank you.

DanHogan
DanHogan

@sojourner Vandy and the B1G have a tremendous amount to offer one-another institutionally.  The CIC is a huge asset to the academic and research side of the schools (emphasis on schools).  To illustrate, Arkansas's research endowment is just above a billion dollars and is #5 in the SEC.  They would be in a virtual tie for #12 ahead of only Maryland and Rutgers if added to the B1G.  That's also why there has been some serious rumors about the B1G inviting Johns Hopkins Lacrosse to play in the conference and be the first associate member. 

I would imagine every university president in the Big Ten would demand that Delany and crew do their homework on Vandy before even considering  research small-timers like Maryland and Rutgers.  I certainly would. 

TommyKeeran
TommyKeeran

@I4Bama When it comes to TV, it doesn't matter HOW MANY actually watch. Just how many are in the region who would be paying for the Big Ten Network on their cable package. That's why they added Rutgers and Maryland. It's not that they're good. It's not that they're huge TV draws. But now they have access to New York City and Washington DC's cable packages. Again, it doesn't matter if the person ever watches the channel. If it's on their cable lineup, they're paying for it, and the Big Ten is making their money.


The SEC will have the same thing happening with their new network. But this is why schools like Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, and UNC were considered for the Big Ten. If they could land a market like Nashville, Atlanta, or Charlotte, whether it's those cities top schools or not, it would mean HUGE money in terms of new money for the network.

DanHogan
DanHogan

 @I4BamaVandy would be a tremendous asset to the Big Ten's CIC.  It could be more money (or savings of money) going to medical research, agriculture advancement, and new technology.  That's more than just TV eyeballs and football wins.  Do I get excited about a Vandy/Wisconsin match-up?  Of course not.  But there's a lot of non-athletics at state.  And, you know what?  The Northwestern/Vandy dynamic could be interesting...  But, I just see that as academic.  (<--- I'm truly sorry for the pun.  Couldn't resist.)

Remember, this is just the conference doing it's homework on other options that are out there.  I'd consider it irresponsible to not at least look at them.

Eric B
Eric B

@SJSPEED 

The SEC is already in the Cincinnati TV market because of UK.  Jefferson Pilot/Lincoln Financial were already carried on Cincinnati stations because those stations serve Northern Kentucky.  The new SEC network will be carried in Cincinnati as well.  

None of that is a knock on UC.  But the Big XII is their best bet. (And for the record, I do wish UK/UC would play each other).

BonzaiB
BonzaiB

@SJSPEED There is a problem with UC, and not that the teams are not getting better. Its a cultural thing. SEC schools tend to be very Southern in their outlook, very regional fan base that is quite protective of their football heritage. While UC would bring more tv sets in, there is already a significant amount of grumbling (justified I think) over the loss of inter divisional play with the move to 14 teams. If Mizzou were to leave (and they are not, period) because they had a rough year in football, they'd catch holy hell from coast to coast from their fan base, which is still pretty optimistic about the move. Vandy is actually quite proud of their position in the conference. A small private institution that stands up to the gigantic state schools and puts up a very good fight. They are not going anywhere, because they would gain nothing from moving, period. 

A&M was a good fit, because they are nuts, polite, passionate, small town cowboy boot / hat wearing sports wierdo's who don't need a Google translator to talk to us. Mizzou is a little harder fit, being from a slightly more liberal background, but Missouri has a lot of Southern cultural ties, they think they are much better than they are (and that makes them fit in nicely in a strange sort of way) and they really want to beat the hell out of some of us to prove they belong. And while we discount them a bit in capability, they are all in, raising money for sports facility expansion, the whole nine yards.

Bottom line, the fans in the SEC don't want more expansion as a rule. And if we do, the fans want a bunch of questions answered (not that leadership will consider that, but we still are going to tell them), about protecting our cross divisional rivalries (and expanding the number of games between divisions BACK to where they were in the first place).

As a group we tend to want to pound on Alabama more often than we want someone from a metropolitan area we have no real desire to go to. I want more, not fewer, opportunities to play Ole Miss, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Auburn, A&M and LSU. That means no more SEC teams and a 9 game conference schedule. The front office may or may not be listening, but this is why I would be strongly opposed to UC. You don't fit from a practical and cultural standpoint. Quality of teams? Not really the biggest stumbling block for us as fans when it comes to UC.

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@SJSPEED 


Not sure that this belongs under a Big Ten/Vandy story, but thanks for reading.  And you're not the first person to mention Cincinnati as a possibility for the SEC.

Unfortunately, we don't have much control of what the SEC presidents do.  Wish we did.

And I'd expect the SEC to stand still at 14 schools for a while.  And if UC wants to get on the SEC's radar, 35,000-seat Nippert Stadium won't help the school's case.  

Thanks again,

John

I4Bama
I4Bama

@DanHogan @I4Bama 

Understand.  Money and prestige.  My point to the eyeballs was to say that the two are tied as far as Vandy is concerned.  I guess, if they can do medical research that benefits someone, then it will certainly be useful, so long as they quit whining about football.

SJSPEED
SJSPEED

@Eric B @SJSPEED 

No disrepect for our great Kentucky neighbors, and i know there are a lot of fans on our side of the river, but i'm of the opinion that a, for example, UC/Alabama game would draw more eyes in cincy and the rest of our state than UK/Alabama.  again, no disrepect intended, but outside of cincy, the Bearcats would have the potential to carry the whole state of Ohio much better than UK because of sheer number of extra fans and alumni.  I would love to see the faces of the ohio state brass if UC were ever given this invitation.

Anyway, even though even i'm pretty sure UC to Sec is a pipe dream at best, wouldn't the rivalry be great between the "cat's and the cat's".  i also wish they would play more often in both basketball and football.

good luck wildcats....thx

SJSPEED
SJSPEED

@John at MrSEC @SJSPEED 

couldn't agree more about nippert, but as stated, the tennesee's, kentucky's, florida's, lsu's, alabama's of the world would all be played downtown at the Bengals Paul Brown Stadium....70,000 seat sell outs for most SEC games would be the norm

thx

TommyKeeran
TommyKeeran

@SJSPEED @Eric B Now, don't get me wrong. I wish OSU would man up and play UC every year. Home and home preferably, 2 for 1 at least. Cincinnati is on the rise, Urban wants to control Cincy in recruiting, and he'd have a chance if we actually commit to playing in the city every few years. Plus it would end up being a great rivalry. I just see no chance that Cincy ever gets into the Big Ten OR the SEC, and there's not a chance in hell they "control Ohio" considering the entire state is full of rabid OSU fans. Cincy's made a nice niche as Cincinnati's favorite team and Ohio's number 2, and that's good enough to be a national type school. But they'll always be number 2 in the state.

TommyKeeran
TommyKeeran

@SJSPEED @Eric B Cincinnati carrying Ohio is a pipe dream at best. Come on. That crazy, nuts, passionate fan base someone mentioned that fits in the SEC? That's Ohio State right there. I AM an OSU fan and our entire fan base is crazy. Nothing else matters in Columbus than OSU football on a Saturday. If anything, if an Ohio school was going to fit in the SEC, it's OSU(although a Big Ten team leaving for the SEC is as likely as an SEC team leaving for the Big Ten. It's not happening).

Eric B
Eric B

@SJSPEED @Eric B 

I have no doubt that UC/Bama would get better ratings in Cincinnati that UK/Bama.  But, unfortunately for UC, the cable networks are about subscriptions, not ratings.  So, because of the popularity of UK in the Cincinnati area, the Cincinnati providers would be inclined to carry the SEC network, so all of the UC fans will still be "subscribers" to the SEC network regardless of what conference UC is in.  I'm not saying UC shouldn't be in the SEC, I'm just saying that is why they won't be.  I like UC . . . I lived a block away from there in Corryville for 3 years.  

Question 2 . . . would Mike Brown let UC use PBS for 4 or 5 home games per year . . . probably not, but then again I gave up trying to predict what he would do years ago.  

All that said, I hope the Big XII takes UC sooner than later.  Both UC and UConn deserve better than the "American 12" or whatever they are going to call that conference.  

UK/UC should play in football, but it's ridiculous that they don't play in basketball.  I thought after the 2nd round tournament game in '05 we would see a series between them.  Unfortunately, no.

TommyKeeran
TommyKeeran

@nltaylor1s @SJSPEED @John at MrSEC I'd give them 0% chance of either. Ohio State would never allow Cincinnati into the Big Ten, no matter what. And as we've seen with the division debate, Ohio State and Michigan still have all the pull in the Big Ten. Nothing gets done unless both approve of it.

HoustonVol
HoustonVol

@SJSPEED @John at MrSEC Playing across town in a pro stadium does not fit the SEC style. Cincy does not have the background to fit into the SEC, which is usually rule state flagship campuses, not a inner city research institution. 

Trackbacks

  1. Must See, Unrelated…

    [...]just here are numerous totally not related sites to ours, however, they are surely worth going over[...]…

  2. URL says:

    … [Trackback]

    [...] Read More: mrsec.com/2013/04/sources-the-big-ten-did-expansion-homework-on-vanderbilt-kansas-oklahoma/ [...]

  3. Funny

    I was just wondering what computer software you would need to make business cards or labels from a home computer. Is is easy or even worth the time or money..

  4. … [Trackback]

    [...] Informations on that Topic: mrsec.com/2013/04/sources-the-big-ten-did-expansion-homework-on-vanderbilt-kansas-oklahoma/ [...]

  5. Trackback says:

    Good info

    I have a song [mp3 file] and i want it to automatically play when you enter my wordpress blog. On all the pages if possible but preferably just on the homepage if simpler. I’m new to wordpress so it might be tough but if anyone can confirm it’s possi…

  6. … [Trackback]

    [...] There you will find 41587 more Infos: mrsec.com/2013/04/sources-the-big-ten-did-expansion-homework-on-vanderbilt-kansas-oklahoma/ [...]

  7. Trackback says:

    Maybe…

    We want to start a celebrity blog, like Perez Hilton. But how do we create a blog, with two people writing? Also how do we get celebrity gossip? We would like to know all the steps to get this blog popular in the world and how to start it..

  8. mdwveMlt0T says:

    Healing’s Dragon

    to search out problems to further improve my web-site!I suppose its ok to produce utilization of a number of of one’s concepts!!

  9. … [Trackback]

    [...] Read More here: mrsec.com/2013/04/sources-the-big-ten-did-expansion-homework-on-vanderbilt-kansas-oklahoma/ [...]

  10. Trackback says:

    Maybe…

    What is the best absolutely free blog/web or search engine directory on the web?

  11. … [Trackback]

    [...] There you will find 43582 more Infos: mrsec.com/2013/04/sources-the-big-ten-did-expansion-homework-on-vanderbilt-kansas-oklahoma/ [...]

  12. … [Trackback]

    [...] Informations on that Topic: mrsec.com/2013/04/sources-the-big-ten-did-expansion-homework-on-vanderbilt-kansas-oklahoma/ [...]

  13. … [Trackback]

    [...] Read More here: mrsec.com/2013/04/sources-the-big-ten-did-expansion-homework-on-vanderbilt-kansas-oklahoma/ [...]

  14. Trackback says:

    Thank you

    I’m a freshman in college and I was planning on majoring in Computer Engineering, but unfortunately it doesn’t really seem too interesting to me, especially all the computer programming. I’m considering changing my major to Computer Science except I…

  15. rank.11. writing from personal experience is very

    easy it’s easy to say your views and you can go into detail with little effort. the good thing about writing about your personal experiences is that you can form a bond with your readers and that is always good. add

  16. Trackback says:

    Good info

    What are some not so well known blog sites to start a blog?

  17. is to guest post on other blogs

    and get a name in your niche. e-mail a bunch of blog owners in your niche and ask them if they are interested in having a guest post from you. if they e-mail you back then they are most likely interested.



Follow Us On:
Mobile MrSEC