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Buck Up, Expansion Fans, You Might Be Thankful For This Unanswered Prayer

disappointed 3Assuming that the just-announced ACC grant of rights agreement is as solid as a rock, there are going to be some very disappointed people around the US of A today.

In an effort to cheer the masses, we have a special dedication to make to…

 

*  The websites and talk radio shows that have thrived on expansion mania (It’s been good for business during summer downtimes.)

*  The messageboard operators who’ve seen traffic explode with every realignment rumor

*  Florida State fans who wanted to erase a 20-year-old mistake and finally jump to a football-first conference

*  West Virginia fans who wanted out of the Big East and moved to the Big XII expecting a few other regional schools to eventually jump in after them

*  Big XII fans who expected their league to swallow up Clemson, Florida State, Notre Dame and others in order to zip past the SEC as the nation’s best football conference

*  Anyone who wanted Texas AD DeLoss Dodds to not get his way for once

*  Proponents of super-conferences who wanted to see the creation of 18-, 20-, or even 24-school leagues

*  All of the folks who thought we’d wind up with four 16-school leagues and a nice, neat eight-team college football playoff to go along with them

*  Cincinnati and UConn fans who thought they’d finally find a way into the ACC, Big XII or Big Ten if expansion continued to boom

*  The makers of cocktail napkins (as there will be less need for sports bar chit-chatters to draw up explanations of their favorite realignment scenarios)

*  The folks who’d already penciled North Carolina State and Virginia into the SEC

*  The Big Ten which clearly had eyes on a few more Eastern and Southern schools for the purposes of dealing with population shifts and demographic changes

 

Yes, to all of those groups and more, here’s hoping Garth Brooks’ ol’ #1 hit from 1990 rings true.

 

Unanswered Prayers Garth Brooks

 

Just a great, surprising move by John Swofford.  On behalf of MrSEC.com, we’d like to thank him for doing his part to try and put a lid on three years of craziness.

 


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mowens75
mowens75

So what if 6 schools in the Big 12 decided they wanted it out. Could they have a majority vote and end the GOR? Are would those 4 remaining schools get the rights to all of the TV rights? Seems like it would be hard to exist as a 4 team conference. 

DRays
DRays

I'm not a lawyer, so can somebody out there explain why a grant of rights is sacred while an exit fee is not?  I understand that a GOR involves much more money and a longer time horizon.  But at the most basic, both are in essence a signed agreement that says "I agree to give you X if I leave the conference".  In a GOR, the X is to give media rights for 15 years.  With an exit fee, X is to pay $50M in cash.  If I try to get out of an exit fee, I am trying to get out of a signed contractual obligation and not have to give up what I agreed to give up.  If I try to get out of a GOR, I am doing the exact same thing.  Again, I understand the numbers are bigger, but at the end of the day in both cases I am simply trying to break a signed contract.  The subject of the contract doesn't seem like it should be relevant (to me a non-lawyer).  Is a loan of $10M more enforceable than a loan of $10K?  Why then is a GOR more enforceable than an exit fee?

I wonder if maybe that's why UVA, GA Tech, FSU, etc agreed despite having wondering eyes.  They look at Maryland and say, "if MD can beat the $50M exit fee, we can beat the GOR.  If they can't beat the $50M, then we're stuck either way because we can't/won't pay the $50M.  So why not allow a GOR, it doesn't really change the calculus from where we are today."

RoadTrip
RoadTrip

Thanks for the info, John. I suspect there will be more to this. It has the effect of a poison pill if implemented as it appears. As I predicted last summer, the ACC would survive this in good shape.

SouthernBoiSB
SouthernBoiSB

Is this seperate from the Maryland case?  Are they included with this issue or not since that's not finalized yet?

mowens75
mowens75

So does the SEC annouce it's network this week? Still curious how much this is going to be worth to each school.

SouthernBoiSB
SouthernBoiSB

I don't like this for the simple fact that 14 teams/8 conf. games is a nightmare to schedule fairly. Expect more complaints about who did (not) play whom to surface.

Not to mention...isn't this going to result in the ACC @ 15 while all else is 14?

HoustonVol
HoustonVol

I am sure the keystone to all of this was UNC and UVA. There was no secrete that the B10 and the SEC wanted them, and there were talks. The issue was that the fan bases wanted the SEC for the competition and bonding with southern schools and fan bases. The administration wanted the B10 and the academic side of the equation, though that improvement was very slight, if at all. So when all was said and done, the presidents knew that they could not sell a move to the B10 to the boosters and fans (look at the reaction of Maryland's fan base). The bowties would not accept an academic downgrade to the SEC. The the best option was to stay put and make it work. I am sure Delany is not happy, and can now sympathize with PAC and Scott for swinging for the fences and ending up with mud. As for a ACC network and their worth, major. Look at all of the metro areas that are in the ACC footprint. Plus toss in the possible ND football game, plus all of the top quality basketball and lacrosse, and it would be a gold mine. ESPN knows this, and if they have to pony up more money to keep from losing that inventory to Fox and the BTN, then it will be worth it.

ChaseTheTrainWarren
ChaseTheTrainWarren

THIS POST, is the compressed diamond, the shining jewel of why you John are the best person covering college sports.  Crisp information and the perfect amount of wit. 


i loved reading about expatiation, but loved more your ability to shoot people down who were yapping about it.

you really need to do a podcast.

JB TexasEx
JB TexasEx

I don't see how John Swofford pulled this off without an ACC Network or some other monetary incentive for the "football first" schools; FSU, Clemson, VaTech.  Maybe ESPN ran the numbers and decided to up the ante for the ACC to head off bidding war with FOX?  I want to see the details of the GoR.

mowens75
mowens75

This stinks! I love this stuff. Actually I still think each school will have a way out of these GOR's agreements. Why would a Florida St or Vinginia ever sign this without a way out? Unlike a lot of the Big 12 schools have other options (Carolina Schools, Virginia Schools, Florida Schools, Georgia and South Carolina shools). I can Carolina schools pushing this like Texas did, but just not convinced how this would ever be good for the others. Guess these folks like stability more than I ever thought. Let's wait and see what happens, but this truly does stink for some of us. Also sure Delany will not be a happy camper if this all goes down. I don't think his master plan was to be at 14 schools. Not sure Slive will be as effected at 14, but I still believe he wants in North Carolina.

ezgame
ezgame

@mowens75 NCAA requires at least 6 teams for a conference charter to remain intact.

For the Big12 hypothetical...  If 6 teams left to go somewhere else, the conference could dissolve.  Therefore the GOR might end.  Or at least that's how I would view it?  BUT...  Like anything, changes could occur and the 4 remaining schools could quickly offer 2 other schools $$$ to join, and retain their conference charter...  Therefore the GOR could still be in effect?

Point is, if someone wants to leave a conference, whom has a GOR...  They have to negotiate their exit & release?

HoustonVol
HoustonVol

It is the difference between borrowing and owning. Basically up to now, the conference has been paying Maryland annually for the rights to resell their games in a package with the rest of the conference. There was agreed amount that they could pay to leave and take their rights and sell them to someone else. With the GOR, the conference now owns those rights for X number of years. Even if the school leaves, the conference owns those rights for X number of years. It does not have to give them up or sell them. Ever had to negociate with someone that does not have to negociate? Yes there is a price tag that could be paid, but no one knows what that would be, and would probably be higher than the rights are actually worth. Think of it this way. You ask someone to marry you and give them an engagement ring. Well you find yourself wanting to be with someone else and break off the engagement. You ask for the ring back, and get a no. You offer $500.00, still get a no. You offer a $1000, and get a no. You then ask for a price. She says $5000, you balk. The ring is only worth $1500. Tough, I own the ring you don't. You are the one that wants it, and I have it. You want it, there is your price. It will be interesting to see what happens once there are only 2-3 years left in these GORs.

Hkjbr
Hkjbr

No, because 15 is really only for basketball, where number of teams doesn't matter (and for non-revenue sports). In football, sticking with an 8-game schedule and then ND it's no problem.

Hkjbr
Hkjbr

True, except it's the pot calling the kettle black - or have we forgotten about the massive 4-part mega expansion piece a few months ago. And this site, while not the worst in terms of guaranteeing the death of the ACC, was pretty hard line. So this post has a whiff of the pot calling the kettle black...

Seanbo
Seanbo

@JB TexasEx There has to be more money in this for the ACC, in particular FSU.  FSU wouldn't support a $50 million exit fee but supports a GOR which is worth considerable more.  Why give up future options, maybe FSU gets an invite in 2, 5, or 10 years, why sign with the ACC until 2027?

My guess.  There's gonna be a ACC network.  This is about ESPN versus FOX not Swofford versus Delaney or Bowlsby.  Most believe that the B1G will sign their new TV contract with FOX.  FOX has already signed Big East basketball.  This is ESPN stopping FOX. 

By securing the ACC, ESPN controls the entire SE and the majority of the NE. FOX has Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore.

FOX has B1G football.  ESPN has SEC football plus FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech and Miami.  Winner ESPN.

SouthernBoiSB
SouthernBoiSB

@HoustonVol

"It is the difference between borrowing and owning. Basically up to now, the conference has been paying Maryland annually for the rights to resell their games in a package with the rest of the conference. There was agreed amount that they could pay to leave and take their rights and sell them to someone else."

I don't understand this.  By your wording in the example, the ACC is paying Maryland to use their rights.  But then Maryland has to pay to leave with their rights.

That doesn't make sense.  It's like saying I make a product to which you buy from me & sell in Store A.  I don't want to use Store A anymore & am going to go with Store B.  So, now I HAVE TO PAY YOU to retain MY own stuff to take elsewhere (even though YOU WERE ALREADY PAYING ME for my product)?  Why should I have to fork over cash for my own possessions?

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@Hkjbr 


Hold your horses, just a bit, please.  

We could have written about expansion every single day and exploited it for pageviews -- as many sites have -- if we'd wanted to.  At the same time we were not going to stick our heads in the sand and NOT discuss a hot topic that would impact the SEC and college sports in general.

If the big story in college sports becomes "Will Mars get a team?" we'll have to write about that, too.

Since 2009 this site has been ahead of the game on numerous expansion stories.  That's one reason we've done national television and radio shows from New York City to New Zealand (literally).

We've also made our views clear along every step of the way.  We stated that Texas A&M would be as good a get or a better get than even Texas when everyone was calling for the Longhorns.  We detailed A&M's 25-year flirtation with the SEC and predicted a year before it happened that A&M would definitely call the SEC home at some point.  We listed Missouri as solid potential SEC partner due to television and geographic reasons long before anyone else even considered Mizzou -- and we have the emails mocking us to prove it.  When columnists got up in arms about leagues growing to 14 schools, we called it evolution.  When things got out of hand and leagues started toying with mega-expansion, we made it clear that we believed all of these leagues should see how their most recent moves pan out before going back to the table for seconds (or 15ths and 16ths as it were).  We did not expect the ACC to sign a grant of rights deal because, in all honesty, it could have done so long ago and put all of this to rest, but Florida State held out until recently.  When the ACC made its announcement, we applauded.  Again, we thought further expansion would be very dangerous because leagues were making rushed, panicked decisions.

Also, as far as the pot calling the kettle black, apparently you skimmed right over the line above in our very first bulletpoint in which we admit that expansion has been good for business.

We covered a topic that was in the news.  We've been right more than we've been wrong.  Our early talk of television households, geographic footprints, and the BUSINESS of expansion proved to be way ahead of the curve.  We stand behind everything we've written -- right or wrong -- because we got our information from solid sources.  Sources are occasionally wrong, but when you get info from people inside the conferences, inside the television industry, inside companies who deal in media rights, and even from inside major athletic supply companies who speak with coaches, you go with it.

Folks can rip us for  a lot of things around here -- Lord knows they do everyday -- but for the pot calling the kettle black?  I don't think so.  We weren't drumming up junk for the sake of pageviews.  And we openly admit that what we did write on a topic grabbed eyeballs.

Thanks for reading the site,

John


ChaseTheTrainWarren
ChaseTheTrainWarren

Nah, realignment was a actual topic that had enough fact to cover it, but not enough to speak on every day, mostly the new were high school freshman talking about sex, only 5% actually doing it and not really knowing What there Getting in to and 95% talking about what a shame it is or how they Want to do it.

I feel Mr.sec covered it like the cool sex ed teacher, a quick list of who obviously has do it, probably will do it, but more important What would happen if you do end up doing it and the repercussions.

mowens75
mowens75

@Seanbo @JB TexasEx 100% agree. This is about ESPN not letting Fox grow anymore. Fox is the one that had B1G go after Maryland and Rutgers. Plus they thought and hoped this oculd break up the ACC and they could get a couple more eastern teams. Not going to happen now and ESPN can hold on to the South and East for football. Plus I think the Big 12 is ESPN and Fox cable. That could be interesting. Remember Fox cable already has Big 12 and Pac 12. Looks like ACC is sticking around and everyone else is stuck with what they have at the moment. 

Winners.....ACC, Pac 12 (didn't want to grow anymore)

Loser.....B1G

SEC and Big 12 really are good either way. I think the SEC would love to add a North Carolina/Virginia schools, but ok if ACC keeps them. Big 12 needs a couple schools to add on the east to help with WV trave, but missed out when had a chance to add Louisville as one. 

HoustonVol
HoustonVol

@SouthernBoiSB @HoustonVol Maybe  that was not the best way to present my example. Think of the GOR as a pre-numo agreement. In this pre-nump, if the man leaves the relationship, the ex-wife keeps the house, car, and all the income. So this man is free to go hook up with their new wife, but he will not be able to bring anything to the relationship financially until the pre-nump expires in X years. The new woman will have to pay for the house, car, food, everything until the pre-nump ends. Just how  attractive would this man be to a new spouse? On the flip side of the argument, all contracts can be broken with a price. You ask a girl to marry you and give her a nice ring. You end up breaking off the engagement, and ask for the ring back. She says no. I own it now. You offer her  $500 for the ring. She says no. You offer her a $1000  she says no. She now  says you want the ring it will cost you $2000. You come back and say the ring is only worth $1500, why would I pay you more than the ring is worth? Because I own the ring and you want it. The reason GOR are so strong is because the conference owns the media rights and does not have to negotiate if you leave. You can sue, complain all you want. The conference does not have to do anything. It will be interesting when these GOR have just a few years left in them. At that point it might be worth it for school X to leave and not have access to their rights for a year or two. But a dozen? not going to happen. There is also only one school with the resources to buy out a GOR, and that is Texas. 

Hkjbr
Hkjbr

And? Only football has issues with odd numbers. Thanks to the other sports having more total games, more non-conference games, more scheduling flexibility - 14 vs 15 vs 16 doesn't matter. Same reason why everyone has divisions for football but they often don't for basketball.

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

@Hkjbr 

If I don't respond, you skew people's views.  If I do respond, I'm protesting too much.

And nowhere did I say we didn't provide opinion.  Nowhere.  Much of it was our opinion based on knowledge of the situation and sources who we trusted in... and that's mentioned in my response to you.

But you're just another smart aleck who doesn't sign his name in a comment box while taking shots at someone else's work... so congrats to you, too.  And why is it the nameless pipsqueak whiner isn't viewed as holier than thou?  We work hard at this site and we do our damnedest to get things right.  It seems the guy who comes in and complains about someone else's work might be the one who's a bit too self-satisfied.

John

Hkjbr
Hkjbr

Methinks you doth protest too much. Sure, you're not the Bleacher Report, congrats. And I do come here to read an interesting (if slightly SEC biased) take on expansion, and mainly for that, I don't care about SEC basketball, for example. So stick to the analysis and leave the comedy to others. And the mocking. And the holier than thou attitude.

So keep up the good work, but don't pretend this was the home of "just the facts, ma'am." There was plenty of speculation and opinion here around expansion, and some of it read, at least to me, more out on a limb than the actual reality of the situation. Still enjoyed reading another take, but this post and really the comment I responded too seemed a bit self-satisfied and a little too much like revisionist history.

Hkjbr
Hkjbr

Come on, the Big 12 is the loser here, they need to add decent teams. The B1G makes even more than the SEC, they're in the same boat - super profitable conferences that would have taken advantage if the situation changed, but who didn't need further change. The Big 12 does.

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