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Oklahoma Writer Projects Movers’ Regret For Missouri And Texas A&M

Berry Trammel of The Oklahoman has looked across the changing landscape of college athletics — West Virginia is finally clear to enter the Big 12, by the way – and determined the winners and losers in the 2010-12 realignment cycle.  While Big 12 entrants WVU and TCU are projected to have no regrets regarding their moves, the schools they’re replacing are gonna be sorry.

At least that’s Trammel’s take:

 

“Missouri: Regrets.  The Tigers actually will be fine with SEC football.  I think they’ll win their share of games, make a bowl virtually every year, make a run at a division title or two.  Might even win the SEC East sometime.  In other words, do about what Mizzou has done in the Big 12 the last 6-8 years.  But Missouri is going to miss Big 12 basketball.  Its games with Kansas.  The conference tournament in Kansas City, which has served as a Mizzou reunion lo these many years.  Neither can be replicated in the SEC, and when the Tigers are playing South Carolina or somebody in an 11:30 a.m. Thursday game in the first round of the SEC Tournament, with maybe 300 Mizzou fans and 4,000 total in the Georgia Dome, Missouri people will look at each other and say, what have we done?

Texas A&M: Regrets.  The Aggies left the Big 12 for one reason.  To get away from Texas.  Except the Ags are going to realize, they didn’t get away from the Longhorns.  In the boardrooms and courtrooms and teacher lounges all across Texas, there will be Texas Exes, grinning at A&M’s struggles to overcome Alabama or LSU or Auburn.  And the only satisfaction A&M ever got in this bad-blood rivalry — beating Texas — now is gone.”

 

Trammel, of course, is looking at things from purely a sports-related viewpoint.  In reality, Missouri and Texas A&M have further enhanced their financial futures by joining the SEC.  They’ve also taken themselves off what are often regional television broadcasts and put themselves in front of a full nation’s worth of viewers 90% of the time.  That equals more eyes on the schools, more donations, more student applications, more students, more graduates and more donors down the road.  Money is money.

But while MU will miss Kansas and A&M will miss Texas — they will — it’s not like Kansas and Texas aren’t losing their oldest, most-heated rivals, too.  And those are the schools who are refusing to play ball.  They’re the ones acting as though they’ve been wronged (even though Texas has flirted with every league but the NHL in the past three years).  It’s possible that cooler heads might prevail at some point and do what’s right by all four sets of fans… and that means reigniting these fiery series.

Until then, Mizzou and A&M alums might want to ask Arkansas and South Carolina grads about moving to the SEC.  Would the Hogs have preferred to remain in the now defunct SWC?  Would Carolina have rather stayed an independent?  Or tried to re-enter the ACC, a league it left in 1971 because the four North Carolina schools dominated that conference’s decision-making?

Arkansas and South Carolina have both had seasons of hoops success since joining the SEC.  Both are now enjoying tremendous football success.  And a strong argument can be made that Texas A&M and Missouri are on better footing entering the SEC than either the Razorbacks or Gamecocks were back in 1992.

Missouri and Texas A&M may have some regrets.  No move is made without some amount of pain.  But if losing Kansas and Texas, respectively, are the schools’ greatest hardships, well, that’s a small price to pay for progress.  After all, just look again to Arkansas.  You can be sure Hog fans missed playing the Longhorns on a yearly basis when they first jumped to the SEC.  Now?  They just enjoy finishing ahead of them in the national football polls each year.

 


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SEC Tiger
SEC Tiger

Those who are interested in a factual account of the saga of the unraveling of the B12 would do well to steer clear of Trammel and the other BevOU crowd. Other than the occasional recognition that OSU has been a part of the PAC lookyloo fest, you won't get much out of them that represents factual matters regarding conference realignment. TB Picker was NOT one of the first to sound the alarm of the LHN, however Mizzou's Gary Pinkel was, at the conference media convention in Texas, Pinkel all but said it was folly to believe that the LHN would not be a major recruiting tool for Bevo. In light of the fact that Mizzou was the 4th to leave, you will still hear the likes of Picker and Trammel blame Mizzou for starting the mass exodus, the glaring reality of them being the fourth program to leave is more than their biased self interest, can admit.

Wolfman you would do well to understand it was not the inequity that caused teams to leave the 12, it was the instability of control from the Texas and OU aristocracy and their willingness to listen to Larry Scott. When you have conferences making overtures to Bevo and see them responding with interest, it does little to promote stability. Then of course there is the OU last minute flirtation with the PAC that failed in landing them an invitation that only furthered and emphasized the schism that was readily apparent. In what is left of the 12 it is clear who runs the show, and what their agenda is and the lesser conference members are just that, the back shelf voices who have no real voice in the direction or decisions affecting the 12.

For the Trammels of the world to ignore the fact that the second largest fan base and TV market left for the SEC and at the time the 3rd largest, Mizzou (2nd media market)saw fit to follow, is nothing more than willful ignorance of the most intrinsic components of what creates the value of a sports conference to begin with. The best deal in the world means nothing if the future is so vague and uncertain that your conference partners may have all be scattered in the wind in just a few years to come.

While there may be much to learn about the way schools view motivation and interest in the way they align themselves from the saga of the Big 12 disintegration, to understand it you will need to look past the jaded views of the remaining schools who will grasp at air to defend the indefensible.

MiloMoon
MiloMoon

This is what Loftin, the TAMU president, saw when comparing conferences and affiliating with schools research departments. The schools that had over $200 Million in academic research funding for 2009. All of these schools are ranked in the top 50 public universities (except for Vandy which is on the private list).

Big 12 Texas: 446 million. Iowa State: 217 Million.

SEC: Vandy: 399 Million. TAMU: 543 Million. Florida: 592 Million. Georgia: 332 Million. Tenn-Knoxville: 236 Million. Kentucky: 331 Million. Missouri: 228 Million. LSU: 260 Million. Alabama – 351 Million.

Texas does not share resources with any school that is not within it's network. That is also why you see UT-Dallas, UTSA, UT-HSC, and UT-MD Anderson all above $200 million mark. A&M just has their Galveston branch that is above the $200 million mark in academic research. If you were a university president looking to join a network of universities, would you chose to partner with Iowa St. or the SEC? That was Presidents of Mizzou and A&M choice, and they chose the SEC. The reason why Texas is not interested in joining the SEC is because it does not have to in order to meet the needs of the academic side of the school. Texas is a fantastic school. However the resources that built that academic powerhouse are no longer available to duplicate and build other universities to the level that the Texas Networks of Universities are. A&M knew that in order to grow it had to forge a new path and get out of the shadow of the TU. This is also why that rumors of Clemson and FSU joining the Big12 are bunk. If you think this list looks bad on the B12, you should see what the ACC and B10 look like. Both those conferences outrank the SEC (which is why the B10 was Mizzou's first choice). So when someone talks about how school A could make $5-15 million more a year in this conference, to a university president that looks at the entire school budget and image, that money is pocket change compared to the funding that academic research brings in the school. A lot of that money is tied to research projects that extend across campuses through out the conference. FSU and Clemson would stand to lose 100's of millions of research dollars if they left the ACC. The two most unstable conferences are the two conferences that do not have formal or informal academic partnerships agreements in the conferences; The B12 and the Big East. An academic partnership was one of the agenda items that the OU president wanted created in order to stay in the B12. Remember that the conference affiliation is determined by the guys with the bow ties in the ivory towers and not the AD, boosters and coaches.

When both A&M and Mizzou are growing academically ten years from now and are fully integrated into the SEC, there will be no regrets.

wolfman
wolfman

One more thing, it's interesting that this re-alignment happened at time when the Big 12 (-4+2) is going to be so up for grabs next year in football. Missouri and Ta&m might have been favorites to win the Big 12 football race had they stayed. Only Oklahoma didn't seem to have team changing grads/drafts but their team seems to be in flux in some other ways. Kansas is the only team that can be counted out of the Big 12 race next year in football. In the SEC it appears that the East Division will be balanced and the season will be determined by a large number of close games. It should be very interesting. People who write here disrespectfully are not official spokespeople for anyone and show their weak intellect with their attitudes. The subject matter is the two best power rated football conferences in the football world. The difference is a little bit paradox. One wants to have two programs that dominate but lately have lost their edge and the result is wide equality in a pure complete round robin true champion. The other makes a financial effort to let everyone have a fair title shot yet is still dominated by traditional powerhouses for reasons beyond the equal revenue sharing or just coincidence, AND where the 14 team format is beyond a round robin and therefore really two conferences with a bonus game that have a positive or negative result. There are at least 3 coaches in the SEC who seem to be over the top, while the Big 12 really only has one at-all-costs head coach left and he's not getting it done. So next year I have to be a football fan to two different conferences and it should be twice as much fun, as opposed to thinking I have to write hate comments to 23 other programs supporters.

TigerinMO
TigerinMO

I'll tell you which schools are going to have regrets in conference realignment: TCU and West Virginia. They are about to learn that there is one master in the Big Texass Conference, and it is not located in Oklahoma. That conference is all about instability and distrust. I give it less than five years. Then TCU and WVA will REALLY understand what a big mistake they made. When four of those schools bolt for the Pac Whatever, the remnants will be searching for a home. Maybe the Missouri Valley Conference will take them.

wolfman
wolfman

Read Trammel's story and other accounts about the long running and ever more elaborate plan, Texas and Oklahoma had to turn the Big 12 conference in to a World Wrestling Federation act where they had all the media hype and spin and recruits, and everybody else got maybe 5% of the cash each. Even T Boone Pickens (mega wealthy OSU booster) called them out about it. It is not a question of Colorado, Nebraska, A&M, or Missouri missing someone or something. It is a question of slavery or equality. What needs to be understood is that bias will be found in the Big 10, Pac 12, and SEC as well but it appears that the Pac 12 is embracing a broader fair shot at the championship, .....Big 10 ?, well their choice of division names tends to point at an unwillingness to give up the traditional dominators, The SEC talks a good game of equality but the test will be when a decade goes by without Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia winning either division. In a conference where the cards are not stacked this is going to happen at some point. The Big 12 was never going to let Colorado have another championship, and they were so afraid of Pinkel/Missouri that they stole a BCS game from them just to keep them in their place. This was the second time they got undercut at a pivotal place in their history, remember when a ringer transferred from Texas A&M to Kansas and knocked Missouri out of a national championship game that they would have clearly won? Sure the NCAA made Kansas forfeit the game later after the damage was done. This is not a conspiracy theory, In a real atmosphere of equality, when you hire and keep good coaches and recruiters your program stays near the top, but not unbeatable, till you lose him or till the other programs hire/develop someone just as good. If you think it easy to always have the best coaches, then look how hard Tom Osborne and NE have tried to get and keep the best man there and note that this really an elusive goal. Bear Bryant doesn't come along every time, nor Osborne, nor Switzer, and there are lots of tactics that can look like the ultimate system, not just Alabama defense or Big 8 triple option, or the spread or up tempo. Don't panic Oklahoma and Alabama fans, equality is really good for the sport and makes everybody like football even more, and everyone will still respect and love you when you come up a game or two short of a championship.

StLouieMike
StLouieMike

Looks like those TCU players where so excited about moving to a big boy conference they thought it meant to party hard not play hard.

StLouieMike
StLouieMike

I am happy to read what he said about Mizzou Football, at least somebody see's the Mizzou program for what it is, not a doormat to any conference. I disagree with his basketball assessment, I believe Mizzou's addition to the SEC could spark an "Arms race" in SEC basketball as the other non basketball powerhouses rush to catch up to Mizzou and Big Blue.

rob
rob

Only a handful of teams have more NCAA Tournament appearances in basketball then Arkansas (something like 10.) I quit following the sport years ago, but I had to add that because I found it strange to read "Arkansas and South Carolina have both had seasons of hoops success since joining the SEC."

BringingTheTruth
BringingTheTruth

Sort of an idiotic post. OU is by far Texas' biggest rival. Texas is by far A&M's biggest rival. So which school will miss the other the most? Certainly not Texas. When Arkansas was in the SWC they were a much bigger rival than A&M has ever been. When they left, they fell off the map in football. Twenty years later they still rue the fact that they don't have a rival in the SEC. Texas didn't miss a beat. As for Hog fans enjoying finishing ahead of Texas in the polls every year, that has happened exactly 3 times since they left. Texas has finished above Arky 14 times, including 1 MNC and 5 Top 5 finishes. Try again, little one.

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

The biggest regret would have been if Mizzou stayed in the BIG12.

SportsBang
SportsBang

TEXAS would like to have the Conf USA teams in its conference so they could win again! How do you have a Top 5 recruiting class every year and struggle to be in the Top 5 of the Big 12? BIG 12 is funny also, Its like the guy that always says he has more money or a better job than he has. You still call yourself the BIG 12 when you can't find 12 teams that want to play in your conference. Change your name to the SOUThWEST VIRGINIA CONF! You are right, it will be easier getting wins in the SOUTHEWEST VIRGINA CONF than in the SEC but its also easier to get wins in Division III compared to the SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA CONF, so maybe Tejas should move to Division III.

DuaneNixon
DuaneNixon

Texas shouldnt have ended their game against TAMU, At least then Mack Brown could say he finally has a chance to beat an SEC school. lmao

TigerinMO
TigerinMO

Mizzou regret leaving the Big 12? Ha! We're countin' the days until July 1, when we are officially in America's best conference. ku can go to hell. Kentucky and others in the SEC will be ample replacements.

Bubba Gump
Bubba Gump

Lets see, the Tigers are leaving KU behind in basketball and getting UK in the trade? Plus they get to keep TAMU and add the Hogs? They ditch ISU and KSU in favor of the Dores and Gators in the east? In the west they add LSU and Mississippi State. Maybe I am just a dumb SEC guy, but it seems like Missouri would pack their bags quicker if they could.

withUmizzou
withUmizzou

You can say whatever you need to to make yourself feel better...but Mizzou and A&M will be better off in the SEC than they ever have been in the abortion of a conference that the Big XII has become. The SEC is the best conference in the country. If the schools in it didn't feel that way they'd have exit fees to prevent them from straying...but they don't. The SEC doesn't need exit fees to keep it's members. It's members are working for a complete partnership for all schools in the conference. Mizzou and A&M are full members from Day 1. WVU can't say as much.

Keith
Keith

Ha-ha-ha-ha!

Texas fans are consistent in saying that OU is the main rival. Ags say we don't mean it. Our AD tells TAMU that if they leave the Big 12, we're done playing them (and in an aside, notes that Texas and OU would continue to play if in different conferences). TAMU leaves. Texas says we're done.

OU is the main rival. That game is the one with the most hatred and fierce competition (Texas leads the series with TAMU by over a 2:1 margin and has a winning record in the Ags' home stadium). I know the Ags will never believe it, but it's true (directed to the SEC fans).

JEH
JEH

Wonder if WVU & TCU regret not getting full shares of B12 revenue the first 3 yrs in their new home. Mizzou & A&M certainly will NOT regret the permanent junior status bestowed on all b12 members not named Texas. There are zero regrets when you join the S E C

DavidCollegeFan
DavidCollegeFan

Texas A&M is without a doubt the fiercest rival of Texas. Don't kid me Keith.. I lived in Austin for a few years a whole ago. There is not nearly as much hate toward OU and there is toward A&M. Both schools have 50,000 students and families and relatives are split up in the state of Texas of which school they attend. Both schools are near carbon copies in academic prestige. OU is not in the same ballpark as A&M and Texas academically. You must me a Walmart Texas fan. Aggies and Longhorns work together all the time. There is not nearly the familarity with OU. Sure, the OU games have been exciting the past 10 years, but if you look at the big picture, you are absolutely kidding yourself. This is yet another example of UT fan's amazing arrogance.

I am really looking forward to seeing the Aggies in the SEC. Their fanbase and traditions are second to none. Living in Texas for a years, I was amazed to experience A&M's school spirit in my first visit to Kyle Field. As a neutral Georgia alumn, I was quickly to pick my favorite-the Aggies. The Aggie fan base is truly a gem, I am so happy they are joining the SEC and I can't wait to come down to College Station again for a game. The arrogance from Longhorn fans was ridiculous.

Keith
Keith

Years Arkansas finished ahead of Texas in the polls- '99, '06, '10, and '11.

Years Texas finished ahead of Arkansas in the polls- '94, '95, '96, '98, '00, '01, '02, '03, '04, '05, '07, '08, and '09.

AGator
AGator

I think the writer is correct that Mizzou and A&M will have some regrets in losing their biggest rivals but it makes it easier when it's their rivals refusing to play any more. I'm hoping Mizzou and A&M will feel at home in the SEC.

Seems like West Virginia may have some regrets. If you look at a map West Virginia doesn't fit in the Big 12. I think that's an unstable fit.

Keith
Keith

Uhhh...TAMU is not Texas' most heated rival.

MIZ 2 the ZOU
MIZ 2 the ZOU

You are making this too easy.

1) Every Missouri fan and most big 12 fans, save tejas and chokelahoma, recognize that the SEC is the best football conference.

2) I don't expect to win it all but, again we are not the prison wife you make us out to be.

3) The cotton bowl was a blip on the radar that is Mizzou's football history. The fact is Arkansas fans are delusional and the cotton bowl is merely an example. Point 1: You crowed for weeks telling us how we were not prepared for the SEC speed. Then, we ran over, around, and through you. Point 2 (more recent): DGB! You said no way he would go to Mizzou because was not on Arkansas's level. Well, we know how that turned out. The 1960 undefeated season, 2010 zero U game, and 2007 kU game are my biggest points of program pride.

4) Joke is on you for Anderson. At the time, I thought it was a loss. However, not anymore. The guy refuses to recruit and can't win a road game. I could not be happier with Haith. Do a little research, our players are openly saying the last staff (Suitcase Mike's) was lazy.

Lateshift32
Lateshift32

I remember the Cotton Bowl. So much SEC arrogance. I remember hearing " You don't have SEC speed". Well now comes the biggest test. We passed the first with flying colors...

LSMHOG
LSMHOG

The amount of ignorance and disrespect shown by Big 12 fans toward the SEC is incredible. Take it from someone who experienced it first hand, you have no idea what you are about to step into come football season. No idea.

As for that MU cotton bowl win, it was an after thought game to the players who were coming off a season ending win at eventual national champ LSU, and were playing without their head coach, who left immediately after the LSU game. The fact that beating us in the Cotton Bowl is your school's greatest moment on the gridiron speaks volumes as to where you are going to end up in the pecking order of SEC football.

Congrats on the basketball season you are having though. Have you sent Mike Anderson a thank you card yet?

MIZ 2 the ZOU
MIZ 2 the ZOU

Ever is an awful long time. Mizzou is not what LSU or Bama was last year but, we are not the weak sister you make us out to be. There are only a handful of teams that have produced more NFL 1st round picks the last couple of years. Reminder: we spanked your rears to the tune of 38-7 the last time we played. #Mizzou

LSMHOG
LSMHOG

no way MU will ever win the SEC East in football. Ever. The Big 12 North only had Nebraska in terms of a true football powerhouse. The SEC East has Florida, Tenn, and UGA. Heck, South Carollina is a more storied football program than MU.

Clarence
Clarence

 @MiloMoon Enlightening.  I would like to see more digging on this subject.

 

But one thing is certain, Aggies trust their guy with the bowtie!!  

JarHead17
JarHead17

Hey sip - take your trolling back to orangebloods. This is SEC country where big boy football is played.

rob
rob

If Texas didn't miss a beat, it's only because they were over-rated. If you're honest and old enough to remember, then you know that Texas fell on hard times in the early eighties and didn't fully recover until the new millennium. Yea, they were ranked some years, but so is Notre Dame today.

I won't speak for all Arkansas fans, but I, personally, do not "rue the fact" that we don't have one big rival, as we had with Texas. You see, I consider all our SEC opponents to be huge rivals, unlike I did with everyone else in the SWC. Honestly, it's like playing Texas every week. I'll also note that Arkansas fell off the map BEFORE we joined the SEC, around 1989 or so; a few years after Texas fell off the map.

As for the article, I didn't completely agree with it, either, but I think you're wrong about who will miss who the most.

RedThompson
RedThompson

@SportsBang Oh really. WVU won the Orange Bowl 70-33. TCU has won two BCS Bowls. Lets face it, Big 12 improved themselves and no one likes it.

AndrewMartin
AndrewMartin

Yes, it is true that they are far ahead since the games starte in the 1800s. However, that is a bogus way to look at the rivalry. Texas A&M was an all male military school until the 1970s. If you look a the head to head series since A&M went co-ed and no longer required corps of cadet participation, the series is basically tied. That is a fact and is the right way to view the series over the last 40+ years.

Jeff
Jeff

By the way, how's Colt feeling these days?

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

@Keith
For your edification, you’re directing your defense of Texas at a fanbase that doesn’t give a crap about Texas one way or the other. If you’re writing just for the thrill of seeing your name on the internet, please continue.

Jeff
Jeff

All the SEC fans see when a Texas fan makess this argument, is as was said, the complete arrogance of the Texas fanbase, which is a reality across that fanbase. It's that same arrogance that is acting like a repellant to so many other fine universities that have had the unfortunate encounters with trying to partner with Texas (Nebraska, A&M, Colorado, Missouri, not to mention those who try to get away like Berry Trammels own OU). No one wants a part of, and everyone regrets being subjected to, what is Texas arrogance, and that arrogance will not lead to more success in the end.

rob
rob

A few of those were years in which Texas was over-rated and only finished a few spots ahead of Arkansas, too.

John at MrSEC
John at MrSEC moderator

Keith...

And that's why we included the word "Now" in the sentence. In 2010 and 2011, Arkansas hasn't worried a whole heckuva lot about Texas.

Thanks for reading,

John

AndrewMartin
AndrewMartin

TAMU is Texas' all-time greatest rival. Yes, Oklahoma is at the top of their list now. However, A&M is still a close 2nd. However, there is a reason why both schools have the other schoo mentioned in their respective fight songs. BEVO got its name because of Texas A&M and the list goes on. Only a teasip would disregard the rivalry and that is only out of spite becasue A&M told Texas "NO". I will bet my home that within 3 years both of these schools are back on the schedule. Why? Because both schools, especially Texas, is greedy for more money. Make no mistake, overall in the State of Texas, there is no more important or more lucrative game.

LSMHOG
LSMHOG

@MIZ 2 the ZOU

Of course they are saying that now, they are winning and Haith is there. He was a .500 coach his entire career before coming to MU, so let's give him a few years to bring his players before you start building any statues in his likeness. As for MA, all he did was bring you the best season your program ever had in terms of wins, and went as far as any other coach has taken you in the big dance.

Good job on DGB. I think that is the first recruit from you own state you have beat us out on since Petrino arrived here. I hope he enjoys blocking for your run first QB ;)

Lupin
Lupin

@Lateshift32 Yep, mu kicked our butts. I'm sure coach Herring (0-1 all time has a head coach) still wishes that houston nutt would have been fired just a little later so that he could have coached one more game.

TigerinMO
TigerinMO

@LSMHOG You're right. I definitely should send Mike Anderson a thank-you card. FOR LEAVING! Haith did more recruiting in his first six months than Anderson did his last two years.

OHTiger
OHTiger

@LSMHOG It certainly WASN'TT Missouri's greatest moment on the gridiron, but it was a satisfactory bowl win given the arrogant big mouthed Arkansas fans at the game, proclaiming that Missouri didn't deserve to be on the same field. 38 points later to the Hogs 7 shut a few of you trailer court living kicks up, (but only temporarily). And yes, we'd like to send a collective thank you card to Lying Mike Anderson. He's a sh!tty game day coach, and a sh!tty preparation coach, and he completely lost the NOW #3 TEAM IN AMERICA last year. Many would have bolted on him had he stayed. Meanwhile, Missouri UPGRADED the head basketball coaching position with LMA's slithering out the back door. It will be good for Missouri to be in the SEC to play the Hogs now and again. Your big mouths are loud until the scoreboard tells you to STFU.

sfprman
sfprman

@LSMHOG You are delusional, porker. Plus, the SCarolina vs. Missouri comment was especially wacked. Mizzou is 2-0 vs. S. Carolina all-time. In fact,1979, Mizzou whipped the Gamecocks in Birmingham at the Hall of Fame Bowl 24-14 (that was only Carolina's fourth bowl game) and more recently in the I-Bowl in 2005. Mizzou has won more bowl games in their history vs. current SEC teams (7) as Carolina has in all their history (5). My aim is not to diss S. Carolina. It's simply to call out more idiocy that ignores facts. Like actual games, for example.

coog32
coog32

@LSMHOG The term ever, as in forever. Mizzou has as good as chance as anyone in the future. I imagine that Missouri will recruit better and coach better and eventually win the conference at some time. Can they consistantly win 7 to 9 games and go to a bowl game every year? If you expect them to do that why can't they win one more and win the division or the conference? The team that will regret Mizzou leaving the conference will be Kansas . It is the only football game that they even draw a crowd to not to mention the sale of KU garb to show off to all of their Missouri friends. A lot of money to lose.

BringingTheTruth
BringingTheTruth

@JarHead17 A&M last played big boy football in 1956, the last time they finished in the Top 5. Don't ask what their record is against SEC teams. Or Big 12 teams! Texas has always dominated A&M and teams from the SEC. Sorry, little one.

BringingTheTruth
BringingTheTruth

Texas and Arkansas were both hurt by the rampant cheating in the SWC towards the end, but Texas has had as much success in football in the period since Arkansas left as it had before. Yes, Texas lost a rival when Arkansas left, but Texas had (and still has) OU, That is all that counts. Losing A&M will not even register. Texas could easily continue playing A&M if it wanted to do so. The fact that it won't speaks volumes on how dependant Texas is on A&M. Too bad Arkansas keeps postponing its return game with Texas. We're ready.

Eighteen years after leaving the SWC, one thing hasn't changed, and Nebraska should take heed. "We don't have a rivalry," Broyles said. Not like you had with Texas, anyway. "Oh," he said, smiling, "did we ever."

Lupin
Lupin

@John at MrSEC The only thing that worries Arkansas about tu is that they might somehow worm their way into the SEC.

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

Cant argue about our best season as far as wins go but far from Norms best years. MA did a good job for the most part and I give him praise for his accomplishments while he was at Mizzou but the way he finished the last half of his final season was pretty sad. Should be a blemish on his resume for sure. As far as this year goes, Haith has MAs kids playing better than he ever would have and Haith will more than likely break that wins record in his 1st year. Haith is a very good coach from what I have seen and he has good coaches behind him also.

MIZ 2 the ZOU
MIZ 2 the ZOU

@LSMHOG Our QB can toss it around a little as well. He really grew as a passer as the season went along. He was in the upper 3rd nationally passing as a first year starter (sophomore) and was 15th in total offensive yards.

As far as Pinkel vs Petrino in the Mighty MO, I could be mistaken but, I think Pinkel is winning approximately 75% of the head-to-heads. We got DGB, Boehm, Richardson, Demien, Ealy, and Lucas. You got Ronnie "I wish I could go back home" Wingo and the pudgy kid from Jeff City. Needless to say, I like our take much better.

A 1/3 of my family are hog graduates and fans. I grew up about an hour from Fayetteville in southern Missouri. Don't take this personally. I am enjoying jawing with you and I cannot wait to go to a game there to take my mom back to here alma mater.

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