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UT-VU Rivalry Heating Up As Franklin Gets Hot Over Leaked UT Postgame Celebration

In more than three years of posting stories here at MrSEC.com, we’ve posted — to my knowledge — two videos from inside a school’s locker room.  In both cases, the video posted was released by the school or an alumni association as a promotion of their product.

The first involved Vanderbilt’s celebration after beating Ole Miss last September (the school posted the video).  The second involved Mississippi State’s postgame celebration after its Egg Bowl win last November (MSU’s alumni association posted the video).

Other than that, what happens in a locker room stays in a locker room, in our view.  We’ve seen leaked stuff before, but I sure can’t recall posting any of it.

Having been in college locker rooms after victories, I can tell you that what’s said there is a) said for the sake of the players, not the fans and media and b) similar no matter which locker room you’re inside.

After wins, boasting is the order of the day.  After losses, “we beat ourselves” is the mantra.

If a school releases something boastful or weepy, we find that newsworthy because that shows that the school/programs wants the information out there.  When MSU releases video of Dan Mullen saying his team will never lose to Ole Miss again, that is more a story than an exuberant Mullen saying the actual words.

However, when someone sneaks a video — one that the school isn’t pushing — then we’ve in the past backed away, not wanting to invade the private moments between a coach and his team.

Not everyone feels the way we do.  For some sites — that’ve proven time and again they would rather be the story than report the story — anything and everything is fair game.  Ask Tennessee’s Derek Dooley.

Dooley’s locker room was mighty celebratory on Saturday night after his Vols outlasted Vanderbilt 27-21 in overtime.  Someone recorded the celebration with a cell phone camera and the website OutkickTheCoverage.com posted it under the headline: “Derek Dooley Slams Vandy In Post-Game Locker Room Celebration.”

In the video below, if you listen closely, you can hear Dooley tell his team (in between wild cheers) that “The one thing that Tennessee always does is kick the s— out of Vandy.”

And that’s set off a s— storm in Nashville.  Asked about the celebration yesterday, Vandy coach James Franklin was not amused:

“That’s a wound that I’m going to leave open that’s not going to heal.  We’ve leave it open for a year and we’ll discuss it next year…

We’ll talk about it as much as you guys want to talk about it next year.  We’ll watch it as many times as we’ve got to watch it next year.

I look at it as respect.  Some people act like they won the Super Bowl, and they beat a team that the two previous years had won four games total.  Obviously, we are closing the gab and threatening some people and making some people uncomfortable.  We’ll see.  We’ll leave it at that.  We’ll move on.  But we’re have a lot of discussion about this next year when the time is right.”

Dooley was not thrilled that his postgame locker room chat was released to the public.  (Note to coaches: You might want to institute a “no cell phones in the locker room” policy.)

“I’m a little disappointed that a video is out on our locker room celebration.  But that’s kind of the world we live in.  It’s like there’s no sacred place.  I think probably all 120 (FBS) coaches out there in football have a side to them where they loosen up with the team that they don’t do in public.

You take those things for what they are.  It’s a postgame, emotional, have a little fun… and then you close the door on them when you leave.”

Well you can bet Franklin won’t be closing the door on them.  And he has every right to use Dooley’s words as a motivation for his team next year.  Just as Dooley has every right to put a foot in the rump of anyone posting video of UT’s pre- or postgame locker room talks.

That said, Tennessee does deserve a pass on part of their celebration.  The Volunteers sang the following song as noted in The Tennessean:

“We don’t give a damn about the whole school of Vanderbilt, the whole school of Vanderbilt, the whole school of Vanderbilt; we don’t give a damn about the whole school of Vanderbilt… we’re from Tennessee.”

Anyone who’s spent anytime at all around college football knows that that little ditty is a postgame tradition at about half the schools in the country.  As in: “We don’t give a damn about the whole state of Michigan, we’re from O-HI-O.”  Etc, etc.  It’s a staple of many SEC and Big Ten locker rooms and I can say that from personal experience.

 


33 comments
Nate
Nate

Why can't Vanderbilt just leave the SEC and move to a conference where they actually stand a chance? Hey I got an idea Vandy should move to Conference USA and beat the likes of Memphis, SMU, and Houston. Oh wait Case Keenum would beat you too.

dee6634
dee6634

No one should get mad at Dooley for not acting like he's won before - he hasn't.

He should have the mighty vols back up to middle of the pack in the SEC in less than 5 years.

Robert
Robert

Sorry, but UT has never been a middle of the pack program. If you look at the records the Vols are SECOND in all time SEC WINS AND TITLES.

Oakley7
Oakley7

Dooley is a poor coach that won't be at Tennessee after next year !! Franklin is an excellent coach that will be around a long time !!

Nate
Nate

Dooley only has a top 15 recruiting class "again."

VolinBama
VolinBama

He certainly leads the conference in close losses, and near fights as a head coach. Yes siree, he is a gem.

Natan
Natan

UT will get another year of Dooley because of this -- another year of mediocrity.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong

This Tennessee team needed to feel good about themselves way more than Vandy needed locker room material against their biggest (only real?) rival.

john
john

you guys can knock our vols for the vandy celebration all you want.
But this team has had plenty of internal and external adversity the last 3 years, and combine that with how they won there celebration is understandable. I didnt think twice about UGS's celebration a few years ago when they danced on the vanderbilt logo at midfield.

Gus
Gus

No one cares about tennessee or vandy.

Jake
Jake

Well said Milo Moon. I got excited after beating vandy! I mean it's freaking vandy and we put them in their place. What is there not to celebrate? Especially after the season we had. Vandy and alot of the media are just butthurt because they thought vandy would win. Vandy will always be vandy.

John
John

This is a class site on the SEC. If I was your advisor, I would have preferred you reported the story but NOT posted the video. Even though you were not the first topost the video, posting it second, in my mind, still violated your rule.

Milo Moon
Milo Moon

As an UT alum, am I happy that our team is excited about beating Vandy? NO. It is Vandy, and we are UT. However that is the nature of the beast right now for UT. Dooley has to build confidence in this team that they can win. That takes celebrating every victory. Plus don't forget, Vandy was favored to win the game. If you look at the last 3-4 years, this would have been a game that UT would have lost. For the first time this year they fought back in the second half and won the game. I don't care if it was against Vandy. It shows that these young kids are starting to build a backbone and learning how to win a game in the 4th quarter.

Southern_Guy
Southern_Guy

So Dooley is saying that this win didn't mean anything since it is just Vanderbilt. I hope he uses a better motivational tactics against Kentucky.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Saw this in that article from the Tennessean: “Vanderbilt lost center Logan Stewart for the season to a lower-leg injury at UT.” I don’t wish injuries on any player but if this isn’t karma, I haven’t seen it.

Statesman
Statesman

Franklin is trying to change the culture and perception of Vandy football. This is best accomplished on the score-board and not through the media. At some point the "macho" talk can backfire. I think it is best for Vandy to sneak up on teams and get out with a win. Franklin needs to steal a page from Lou Holtz--every team is a juggernaut & we're the little sisters of the poor, just hoping to compete. However it would be great to see Vandy become a 7-8 win team every year.

Note* If Franklin leaves in the next year or two look for him to move to NC-State. Debbie Yow their AD came from Maryland where she named Franklin the coach in waiting, before Fridge the coach at the time, even considered retirement. Fridge was against the move but Yow was convinced that Franklin would make a good coach. If O'Brien is out, look for Franklin w/ his ACC recruiting contacts to get the nod.

Vol Guest
Vol Guest

Well said. I posted somewhere else that Franklin is to be commended for elevating the play at Vandy. I also said, though, that Vandy fans need to be careful to blindly jump on board with his immature comments & antics. I keep hearing comments from Vandy fans like "I don't care what people think - they just need to know that we're not getting pushed around anymore." Don't lose class due to the temptation of winning - it sounds a lot like when TN fans were first giddy with Kiffin's asinine comments and in retrospect now realize what an a$$ he was. Vandy fans shouldn't fall into that trap.

Vol Guest
Vol Guest

Plus, Franklin once again sounds like one of his teenage players instead of the mature coach he should be when he starts crowing to the media about not getting enough respect. Next he'll probably be talking about why the haters hate on him so much. He has shown this season that he clearly can't draw the line between how a coach and a player should act, and he's starting to show that he may be in over his head with this whole head-coaching thing.

What may be the funniest of all is that Franklin himself gave his team the biggest insult of the day by saying, "Some people act like they won the Super Bowl, and they beat a team that the two previous years had won four games total." Gee, Franklin - didn't that just play right into Dooley's comments? You're right - Dooley shouldn't get so excited about kicking the **** out of your lowly team.

Vol Guest
Vol Guest

Well-written article. It's fine if Franklin wants to use this as motivation, but people need to stop demonizing Dooley for what he said in what was thought to be a closed-door discussion with his team. We would all probably be shocked if we heard what was said between coach and players around the country, including Vandy. If Dooley had said it to the media or anywhere outside the locker room, maybe then it would reflect poorly on him.

UTfan
UTfan

Jayson Swain linked to Chris Tucker clip from Friday should be the standard Vol response to james franklin:

Remember it! Write it down! Take a picture of it! I don't give a f***!

Henry
Henry

I'm glad there is going to be some life in the UT/Vandy series. i was always a little jealous of SC, UF and UGA having a viable instate rival. Maybe Vandy will pick it up and become a rival to UT.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

I just don’t see that happening at a school that eliminated their athletic department. Vandy will rise up occasionally but will almost always be a stepping stone job for anyone who performs well there. You sometimes get somebody like Jim Grobe who is satisfied staying at the small private university but that’s not the conventional approach to a coaching career.

The administration is happy to field a team, cash their SEC shared revenue checks and call it day. As such, I can’t see them being overly joyful about Franklin’s bush league antics.

DoreDude
DoreDude

The "Vandy trashed its athletic department" angle is such crap and I'm so sick of idiots throwing it out there. If it was such a huge deal, I doubt its basketball and baseball teams would be having so much success (in fact, both teams' success have increased since Gee canned the Ath. Dept....along with other sports as well). Vandy needs to figure out how to close games. DiNardo couldn't do it, Woody couldn't do, and Bobby J. couldn't do it. I hope to God that Franklin can, but only time will tell.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Geez, this guy’s a broken record. Rodney Dangerfield doesn’t complain this much about respect.

deltaboy
deltaboy

So if you're "not wanting to invade the private moments between a coach & his team", why did you post this video?

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

deltaboy...

I was waiting for this one. I'm only surprised that it took 37 minutes for someone to post it.

We posted the video because it has now become news that both coaches have openly talked about. Once something is news -- and not just leaked cell phone video -- it's our job to discuss it.

John

Denny
Denny

So if someone else does it, its OK?

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

deltaboy and Denny...

See if you folks can follow this: If the National Enquirer reports that John Edwards has fathered a child out of wedlock, it's tabloid crap. But when that tabloid crap becomes national news, all the other networks have to cover it.

We bring you the news here with our opinions. If you don't want the news from around the league or don't appreciate the way we cover it, it's a free country.

But I'll not waste anymore time explaining the obvious,
John

deltaboy
deltaboy

Well, maybe, but I certainly prefer the "what happens in a locker room stays in a locker room" philosophy.

Wes
Wes

LMAO re:motivation for next year

Pinup material is for LOSERS. You win games with preparation and hard work. It's just a silly video and the offense taken is feigned at best.

I commend Coach Franklin for taking a defibrillator to the VU program. Unfotunately until he actually produces some results we have no particular reason to believe he won't flatline just like a long line of predecessors have. The billy bad ass act will wear thin unless he can back it up.

lecter
lecter

Pretty sad to see UT this excited over an eked out win against Vandy. Shows how far the program has fallen

Denny
Denny

TN has sunk so low they get excited about beating Vandy. How funny!

40Cap
40Cap

UGA, UF, and Arkansas were all pretty excited when they beat Vandy this year also, and 2 of those schools are potentially in the SEC championship game. No shame in getting excited over a close win in a conference game.

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