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A Quick Dose Of Friday Missouri News

And still we wait.

With Missouri trying to extricate itself from the Big 12 as painlessly as possible, those in the SEC are believed to be sitting back, waiting, and planning for what could be a 13- or 14-school athletic season in 2012-13.

The ball is in the court of the Big 12 and Mizzou.  It’s likely for that reason that talk of expansion and Missouri has cooled in SEC circles.  Not cooled in a negative way toward the Tigers, just cooled because there’s really nothing new to say.

Any leaks on the MU-Big 12 breakup are likely to come from the Show-Me-State of the state of Texas at this point.  So what’s being said to the west?

1.  Blair Kerkhoff of The Kansas City Star writes that Missouri will have to become “more NFL-like” if/when it lands in the Southeastern Conference.  The writer believes that the Tigers will need to get more defensive in their approach.

“To me, proof positive came in the national title game for the 2008 season.  Oklahoma, which had scored 60 points in each of its final five regular-season games, mustered 14 in a 10-point loss to Florida.

Strong defense and power running games win the SEC.  This is not Missouri’s modus operandi.”

There’s one notable exception to that rule.  Arkansas.  Bobby Petrino’s spread offense is a pass-first attack with a complimentary ground game.  And no one will confuse one of his Razorback defenses to date with the ’85 Bears.

As we’ve pointed out here before, if Gary Pinkel’s system can help 3-star players play like 4- and 5-star players — as is the case with Petrino’s — then Mizzou might be just fine as a passing-centric spread team.

(Sidenote — Tommy Tuberville — now at Texas Tech — tells Kerkhoff that the Big 12 has better quarterbacks and receivers, but the SEC has better linebackers.)

2.  Jeff Gordon of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch writes that the Tigers will have to recruit better, expand their football stadium from 70,000 to 85,000, and “boost the size of its fan base by another 25% or so” in order to compete in the SEC.

3.  Vahe Gregorian — also of The Post-Dispatch — sums up the current wait in a short, poorly headlined post.  “Mizzou still awaits word from the SEC,” is the title to the piece, implying that Mike Slive’s league has teased MU to the point of leaving the Big 12 without giving them a final go-ahead.

The actual piece just breaks down where things appear to stand at the moment.

“… the crux is Mizzou wanting to leave for 2012 with no legal complications and minimal exit fees, and that cause may be helped by the conference indicating it plans to be without Missouri and interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas’ spoken stance that it would be “viable” without Mizzou.

Yet, the withdrawal perhaps is complicated by the Big East intending to jam West Virginia for 27 months after notice, per Big East bylaws.”

We continue to hear that the Big 12 is playing hardball and refusing to do much negotiating when it comes to Missouri’s exit fee which is believed to be — on paper — between $26-30 million dollars.

 


51 comments
guest
guest

Wait.................why bury Missouri and think that its hands down the SEC is that much if any better than the Big 12. Look at Missouri this year since present is what all that really matters. The only teams that would beat Missouri would be LSU and Alabama. The others Missouri would probably be favored or a pickem. So why say they couldn't compete or place very well in the conference. Week in and Week out the Big 12 is ever bit as harsh a schedule as in the SEC. I am glad all are thinking Missouri is coming to be fodder like Kentucky, Vandy, Miss. St., Ole Miss, and Auburn of this year. Underestimate them and their defense and Mizzou will laugh its way to first in the West. Again thanks to Alabama for letting us go to the Weaker division. And in Basketball its a step down in what Missouri is used to facing game to game so that will be a nice transition for them in your conference.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Missouri will be fine eventually but don't be delusional.

Jim
Jim

I am a huge fan. Every Mizzou fan I talk to can't wait to leave the unstable, Texas biased Big 12 for the best conference in the country. The SEC treats it's members equal and fair. When it happens, and I know it's just a matter of time, I want to send a big thank you to the SEC. We are honored to be a part of the SEC and we will go East, West, North, South, we don't care, we are just happy to be a part of the best conference in the country.

Dan B
Dan B

Such a bad idea for Mizzou to leave the Big 12. College football is out of control and has no integrity.

Murr
Murr

"College football is out of control" or the Texas Longhorns are out of control. This is still a Deloss problem. I can see Texas going independent in a couple of years if ESPN Moo gets off the ground and is profitable. Then the rest of the conference will either dissovle or add more Big East teams. Realignment in college sports is a constant.

Spike
Spike

That's the problem with college football now. Networks like ESPN have been caught being the driving force causing schools to do what they do when it comes to realignment. CBS may be involved too, google cbs and Tony Barnhart's conflict on missouri to the SEC

Jamie Thornton
Jamie Thornton

well I'm glad that Mizzou is looking at the SEC, there is no doubt they belong in the Big 12. 90 years of history with those old big 8 schools. Could you imagine ALabama playing in the BIG conference? IT's just not right.

jman
jman

Most of the really good players on the team are underclassmen so maybe one or two.........

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

While we are on the NFL subject, who will be drafted from Mizzou this year. Hamilton, Egnew?, Richardson? Just curious what thoughts some may have on Mizzou players.

buddha22
buddha22

Hamilton and Egnew, our LT SR Fisher will get a medical redshirt otherwise he likely would have been drafted. Richardson not ready but a little headstrong, expect him to be back but wouldn't be shocked if he came out.

pdiddy
pdiddy

I'd be willing to bet Egnew will be playing on Sunday's. He is alot like Chase Coffman. I hope it turns out better for him than it did Coffman. Love Franklin, but look at Egnew's numbers when he had Gabbert slinging the rock to him. Egnew poses some big match up problems, too.

Fred
Fred

Brady Deaton canceled his trip to work on this. I wander what he's doing.

AU4life
AU4life

Hey fred, where are wandering too? lol

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Probably wishing he was in India.

Andthensome
Andthensome

I almost choked from laughing when I read that...

"Probably wishing he was in India" ...too funny

Medloh
Medloh

I think these sports writers seriously overthink how Mizzou would do in the SEC or what they need to do once they get there. It seems pretty obvious to me--just look at how they've done in the B12. Mizzou would lose, sometimes badly, to the best of the best of the SEC just like we've usually lost badly to the best of the B12. That means we would get stomped by LSU and Bama this year. We'd be competitive with most of the other teams, and we would stomp the bottom 2 or 3 teams. It's not rocket science, and the SEC is not that much better than the B12.

Another myth I've heard tossed around is that playing in the SEC is going to 'wear down' Mizzou. We've been playing in the very strong B12 for 15 years now, and we know you have to have talent and depth to compete.

Finally, it would be beyond stupid to try and change our style to what most SEC teams do. We should keep right on doing what we do, play to our players and coaching strengths.

tradeassociation
tradeassociation

I agree that Mizzou would do about the same in the SEC as they are in the Big 12, which is the #2 conference behind the SEC. The only issue is that Mizzou played in the Big 12 North, which was the lesser 2 of the Big 12 divisions. But other than that, I would say that an 8-4 Big 12 school is a 7-5 SEC school; a 10-2 Big 12 school is a 9-3 SEC one, etc. In general terms anyway ... an 8-4 Big 12 school probably wouldn't even be bowl eligible in the SEC West this year or last year, but the SEC West being so strong is kind of an aberration.

Statesman
Statesman

I think if you focus on the SEC-west you are correct. However the SEC has the East and Ga. & S. Carolina do not look better than 4-4 teams in the BigTexas(12) this year. Carolina offense at times looks offensive, & Ga. before the Fla(4-4) record was built on sub 5oo teams. The SEC-East looks very similar to the BigTexas(12) North in previous years. Therefore I conclude Mizzou can and will compete. The 5-year run is proof that the SEC is a great conference but I don't think you can look at a few qbs and determine that one is far superior than another.

Mr.SEC the Mizzou spread is gradually moving toward the run & option as the current qb strength is in his mobility, with his passing improving.

Gator39
Gator39

Agreed. Florida and Tennessee's record can be directly attributed to who they've played so far. Both teams have had to play LSU, Bama, and UGA so far and not too many teams will come out of that unscathed.. Missouri who is currently 4-4 in the Big 12 would be 3-5 at best 4-4 if they were in tehSEC this season.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Unfortunately for Mizzou though, when they join the East, it won't be 2011. Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee being all down at the same time won't last very long.

Job
Job

Yeah, the SEC East being so weak is an aberration too. Unfortunately, it is an aberration that will last next year too. Which is why it is in Mizzou's interests to play in the SEC in 2012. You might actually contend for the SEC East in 2012! 2013 and definitely 2014 not so much, but 2012 definitely and 2013 maybe ...

Bruce
Bruce

I will be very HAPPY when Mizzou is in the SEC " OFFICIALLY ".......can't wait.................!!!!

HeIsStillStupid
HeIsStillStupid

Jeremy Maclin is from Mizzou

Mizzou has recently started to put out good pros. I can list many more if you would like.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

jman
jman

chase daniel is second string to drew brees

tradeassociation
tradeassociation

Yes I do. Mizzou has recently started to put out good pros. The SEC has been putting out good NFL QBs and WRs for over 20 years. My point was not to bash Mizzou, but to point out that Tommy Tuberville was nuts when he said that the Big 12 has better QBs and WRs.

Gator39
Gator39

The spread offense isn't anything new to the SEC. Florida ran the spread under Urban Meyer and Dan Mullen runs the same offense at Mississippi State. Talent is what wins in the SEC at a high level not schemes. Missouri will be on par with Kentucky, the Mississippi schools, and Vandy.

Job
Job

By virtue of moving into the SEC, Missouri's talent level will improve because they will be able to recruit Georgia, Florida and South Carolina. I expect Mizzou (and A&M) to be on par with Arkansas and South Carolina, a step above Kentucky and the Mississippi schools but below Auburn and Georgia.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Gator39...

Those run-first spread-option attacks.

Missouri's spread is more a pass-first spread like Arkansas'.

John

Medloh
Medloh

Mizzou is leading the B12 in rushing this year.

Each year it depends. With Brad Smith/James Franklin/Henry Josey it's more of a run first spread. When we had Daniel/Maclin/Alexander/Gabbert it was more of a pass first spread.

I don't think you can pigeon-hole the Mizzou spread offense as pass first or run first.

buddha22
buddha22

John, on the face of it I'd agree, but as pointed out Coach Pinkel's offense adjusts to his talent and by all measures, this offense is much more run driven, both with Josey (not simply a change of pace) and Franklin himself. There is no doubt that he will contiue to change/adjust to his talent and opposition.

Gator39
Gator39

Highly unlikely Missouri will go into Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina and consistenlty pull recruits out of those states. First off every SEC and most ACC schools recruit Florida. The Big 3 in state schools will usually always get the best Florida players and those that don't go to the Big 3 wind up at other traditional SEC and ACC schools (Bama, LSU, Clemson, UGA, etc). Even Big Ten schools like Michigan and Ohio State recruit heavlily in Florida.

Another issue that Missouri will have to deal with is the fact that more SEC schools will now recruit Texas more frequently. They will soon find more competition inside Texas for the players that don't go to OU, Texas, and A&M. There best course of action is to lock down their in state talent which has traditionally left for OU, Nebraska, and the Big Ten schools.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Medloh...

I don't think it's pigeon-holing or insulting or short-selling Missouri to say that since Gary Pinkel has arrived the offense has been more geared toward passers and receivers than running backs.

Rushing yardage can be deceiving. Last year, Arkansas' Knile Davis was the SEC's top-back... but it was change of pace running. The focal point of the offense was still Ryan Mallett and the pass.

Thanks for reading,
John

tradeassociation
tradeassociation

With all due respect to Tommy Tuberville, based on his awful record of handling the QB position at Auburn - which ultimately got him fired - I don't think that he knows a good QB when he sees one. Those Big 12 QBs and WRs put up huge numbers in their flag football schemes against their own suspect defenses, but how many Big 12 QBs and WRs really do much in the NFL? With the QBs, there's Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Vince Young (kinda) and that's really about it. Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Nebraska, Colorado, Iowa State, Missouri, Kansas State and Kansas have ZERO starting QBs in the NFL, and not even any 2nd stringers that I am aware of. Compare that with LSU (Matt Flynn), Ole Miss (Eli Manning), Arkansas (Ryan Mallett), Auburn (Jason Campbell and Cam Newton), Alabama (John Parker Wilson and Greg McElroy), Tennessee (Peyton Manning), Georgia (Matt Stafford), Florida (Rex Grossman, Tim Tebow) and Vanderbilt (Jay Cutler). And just about every SEC school except maybe Vandy regularly puts WRs in the NFL too. So, portraying the SEC as this "3 yards and a cloud of dust" conference like Kerkhoff is doing is just hype. It totally ignores how Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, Chris Leak, Matt Flynn (when healthy) and even Matt Mauck put up a lot of points for their national title teams, and that Matt Stafford and JaMarcus Russell won Sugar Bowls. Missouri will just have to emphasize defense more when coming into the SEC, but they should be able to get DTs and LBs from Florida and Georgia to help them do that.

Eric from the Zou
Eric from the Zou

Suspect defenses............Maybe you should look in your own backyard before you start denegrating other leagues. SEC is considered a defensive league only because most offenses are stagnant at best. Yes I know you will point to really an overrated stat that you have won the last 5 games that happen a MONTH after the regular season ends. Fact is play that game the week after the season and see who wins. Those schemes you say would hamper and sideline the SEC against those offenses.

buddha22
buddha22

Trader - Your facts are woefully wrong. What, Crabtree, Bryant, Maclin, Welker et al are chopped liver? And before you denigrate MU's talent or ability to find/develop did you know only Alabama has more 1st rounders in the draft the last 3 years than MU and that is just 1 more? It will take time to develop the new recruiting states of the sec but don't doubt coach Pinkel and his staff. Look no further than how he has mined Texas.

wehrli
wehrli

Tommy Tuberville says an awful lot. When coaches or players move around they tend to throw a few barbs here or there to get a rise out of you. And all of the schools mentioned above have had some hellacious players here or there. Mizzou has had its share lately and there will be more for everybody. These power conferences tend to go in cycles and more specifically the programs in them. I was reminded the just the other day of the Shula years at Bama, and I looked them up to see just how bad it had gotten and it was bad. What does that mean? Nothing. It just means they were in a down time. It has happened to every program in my lifetime at one time or another. But taking a pee at Chase Daniel is really uncalled for. He was 1 win away from the national championship game and I doubt the Saints would trade him for Tebow. However, I am surprised that Heath Shuler did not make that list considering he is in the Ryan Leaf zip code for worsts busts ever.. Oh yeah, and as far as Brad Smith goes, he is a really good player. The last time I saw him play in college he took down Spurriers team..rallied them from a 24 point deficit.

Mizzougunner
Mizzougunner

Josh Freeman is from K-State.

Job
Job

That is true. So though my FACTS were wrong (left out Josh Freeman and Blaine Gabbert from just the past 3 years) the point is still good, which is the claim that the Big 12 QBs are better than the SEC ones are false. I still remember everyone talking about how much better the Big 12 QBs were in 2008 ... that notorious comment by OU CB Dominique Franks that Tebow would be like the #8 QB in the Big 12. But when bowl season and NFL draft time came, turned out that only 2 or 3 of those guys were anything more than the product of the system.

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

In fairness, it's a little early to judge Tebow. He may very well be an NFL flop.

GuyAboveIsStupid
GuyAboveIsStupid

Blaine Gabbert is from Mizzou
Chase Daniels is from Mizzou ... backs up Drew Brees and has played well when he has got the chance

tradeassociation
tradeassociation

Ha ha. So I forgot about Blaine Gabbert. (About the undrafted Chase Daniels ... not so much, and about Brad Smith not at all. Or put it this way ... listing Brad Smith for Mizzou is the same as listing Matt Jones, who played QB in college but WR in the NFL, for Arkansas, and Hines Ward, who played QB in college but WR in the NFL, for Georgia). Sorry, but Tuberville is still WRONG when he claims that the Big 12 has better QBs and WRs.

Jim Lewis
Jim Lewis

15 current players in the NFL are from Mizzou. Danario Alexander-WR-Rams, Colin Brown- OL- Bills, Chase Daniel-QB-Saints, Blaine Gabbert -QB- Jags, Andrew Gachkar -LB-Chargers, Ziggy Hood- DE-Steelers, Jeremy Maclin-WR-Eagles, William Moore-S- Falcons, C.J. Mosley-DT-Jags, Martin Rucker-TE-Jags, Kevin Rutland-CB-Jags, Justin Smith-DT-49ers, Brad Smith - QB-Bills, Aldon Smith- LB-49ers, and Sean Weatherspoon-LB-Falcons. Mizzou is well represented in the NFL.

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

Maybe Tubberville is just giving props to the conference he is in at the present time. There is no doubt the BIG12 has been loaded with good QBs recently. Lets not forget that a great QB in college more than likely will do very little in the NFL. Also when your getting the good talent(NFL talent) every year you had better be good at what you do.
M-I-Z!!

Medloh
Medloh

Brad Smith does some Wildcat for Buffalo. :)

Dave
Dave

The SEC should go ahead and plan it's schedule for next year without Missouri. It's obvious nothing is happening here.

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