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Tuesday Explodes With Rumors And Tweets, But Mizzou Still On Target For SEC

Things got nutty yesterday, didn’t they?  Way too nutty.

We in the media have a tendency to feed like sharks.  If there’s a drop of blood (or truth, in our case) in the water, everyone starts working to get their piece of it.

The media feeding frenzy is matched only by fans’ desire for immediate information and a pulpit from which to share their own views, theories and wishes.

Example: Website tied to school files report from left field.  Media jump on report.  Fans take report as gospel.  Fans post thoughts and theories on messageboards.  Reporters tweet about thoughts, theories and rumors they’re seeing on messageboards and blogs.  Fans mistake tweets from reporters as dispersals of fact, not “hey, here’s what’s being said.”  Circle continues, etc, etc, etc.

It’s a mess.  And as someone who works in the media, it’s shameful.

We didn’t post our own follow-up last night because we wanted to check with our contacts before chiming in on yesterday’s rumor frenzy.  And because we know when stories build and build and build on one another in rapid succession — as happened yesterday — there’s usually more hot air than fact involved.

So after finishing our radio and CSS duties yesterday, we hit the phones.  The word we’re getting in simplified form: Not much changed yesterday from an SEC perspective.

* Missouri still wants into the SEC in 2012 and is working to make that happen.  MU chancellor Brady Deaton wasn’t blowing smoke last Friday when he told a press conference that any move Mizzou makes will be made with next year in mind.

* The Big 12 has thrown up more resistance than expected — including the declaration that the league cannot play with nine teams next year (even though some schools and coaches had campaigned for that very thing) — and that resistance could slow down an MU-SEC announcement, but the SEC office knew there would be some snares.

* It’s still possible Missouri and the SEC will announce a union this week, but MU will have to clear the legal hurdles being tossed around — just as Texas A&M did — first.

* Could this lead to a 2013 SEC entry for Missouri if all goes wrong?  Yes, but the SEC had obviously anticipated that, too.

The feeling I get from talking to people around the league is one of calm.  If Missouri’s in by 2012, great.  If they’re in the following year, the SEC will survive one season as a 13-school league.  (But it’s clear landing a 14th school for next season is still heavily preferred.)

There also didn’t seem to be a whole lotta fear regarding talk that the Big 12 might grab Notre Dame which might, in turn, convince Missouri to stick around.  We said yesterday that that plan had a large number of moving parts that would all have to interconnect perfectly if it were to come to fruition.  As an official with one SEC school told me last night via text: “Too many egos, too much redtape.”

Our gut feeling?  We believe the Big 12′s latest protests might slow the announcement process down by a week, but we still feel Mizzou has a pretty good shot of exiting by 2012.

If a contract states that a school must remain in a conference or pay a buyout fee, there are two ways to fulfill the contract — stay in the league or pay the buyout fee.  If Missouri pays the buyout fee, it should be clear to leave.

The problem, however, is whether or not Big 12 schools (like Baylor) would sue Missouri for damages should the league lose network television dollars.  But speaking to a friend who happens to be an executive in the sports side of one of the Big 3 networks, the assumption is that if Fox or ESPN were to pull money from a nine-team Big 12, they would pull back only Missouri’s share… which would leave the other members at their current levels of income.

We’ll see where things shake out moving forward, but here’s a whole wave of expansion reports from around the country, complete with our take on most of them:

1.  Here’s the Orangebloods.com report (behind a paywall) that sent the media world into a tizzy yesterday afternoon.  It claims that Notre Dame “is seriously considering” moving it’s non-football sports to the Big 12, which — coupled with a promise of Irish-Missouri football games — could lead Mizzou to stay in the Big 12.

2.  Yesterday, Mike Slive spoke to the Huntsville, Alabama Quarterback Club and jokingly told the audience they weren’t going to get the information that they wanted — a yes or no on Missouri.

“I realize you’re anxioius to know what happens next with regard to conference realignment.  There’s a lot happening over the intercollegiate landscape, especially the last several weeks.

But with respect to the SEC, I don’t have anything new to report at this time.”

Slive also reiterated a point that we have made on this site many, many times.

“We were very happy with 12 (members).  When Texas A&M contacted us, it’s a great institution and we were willing to take them.  We’re willing to be at 13 for a short period, if that’s what it takes.  Obviously 14 is much easier, but it’s never been for us a goal to move to 16.  It’s never been about numbers for us.”

Despite what you read elsewhere, the SEC is not planning to go to 16.  That would only happen if the college football landscape changed further.  Slive does not want his league to be the first league to 16.  Not when it’s making so much money and having so much success in the present.

Missouri News

3.  MU’s chancellor spoke about his school’s expansion plans during a radio interview yesterday (and we’ve already covered most of this on the site).  Among his comments:

“We’ve reached firmness in where we are headed, where we want to analyze and focus our attention.”  (If that were the Big 12, the school would have simply said, “We’re staying!”)

“Our head has to outweigh our heart in achieving some of the objectives because the heart won’t necessarily in this case lead to where the University is going and needs to be going.”  (Kinda obvious what that means.)

“These issues, such as stability, take on very, very important long-term meaning.  We’re trying to look ahead at where we’re going as a university, and where the Big 12 is going, or the SEC is going, and where the world of sports entertainment is going.”  (Again, when it comes to stability there’s an obvious choice.  Deaton might as well have said, “We want to surround ourselves with people who speak with a drawl.”)

Mike DeArmond of The Kansas City Star further discusses that interview here.

4.  Vahe Gregorian of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch was also listening in on Deaton’s radio interview and picked up on these comments:

“Our hopes (for making an announcement) were days, possibly a week or two.  We’re hoping the sooner the better.”

“Involved in these steps that are being taken at this point are two conferences, two boards of directors, two sets of legal counsel, two sets of financial analyses, or three, if you count the University separate from the Big 12, and then you have a commissioner in whichever conference you’re dealing with.”

5.  Deaton was asked by the radio host if he would make his announcement on that show.  We’ll let Gregorian take it from there:

“Deaton declined (the host’s) invitation to announce it during the show, albeit with a slight slip.

‘I’d loved to come back, as soon as we annou. …’

He caught himself before completing the word and added, ‘as soon as we’ve reach conclusion on this, I’d love to be back here with you.’”

6.  Sam Mellinger of The Kansas City Star took a shot at the SEC yesterday stating: “Missouri is as good as gone, of course, off to the Southeastern Conference and its voluntary class schedules for football players and disregard for the NCAA rulebook…” The league has brought rulebook cracks upon itself, but when it comes to class schedules, the SEC will soon have more AAU schools than the Big 12.  Time for the Dust Bowlers to drop the academic barbs.

West Virginia News

7.  Meanwhile, it was widely reported yesterday that West Virginia — passed over by the ACC and the SEC for its small population and academic reputation — will replace Missouri in the Big 12 at some point.  The Associated Press reports that the Big 12′s board of directors unanimously approved inviting WVU “when Missouri’s spot comes open.”

8.  Taking business issues out of the equation — though those are why conferences actually expand — this writer believes West Virginia is a more than adequate replacement for Missouri.  (Of course, he also states that WVU to the Big 12 is no more “absurd” geographically than Missouri joining the SEC.  I’ll agree just as soon as someone shows me where West Virginia borders Kansas, Iowa, or Texas.)

9.  A statewide radio network in West Virginia reported yesterday that WVU’s “move to the Big 12 will happen regardless of whether Missouri stays in the league or applies for membership in the SEC.”

10.  That contradicts The New York Times story by Pete Thamel which claimed a “West Virginia official said the Big 12 would remain at 10 teams.”  (The Big 12 has been pretty clear that 10 teams was its first goal and that 12 might be a possibility down the road.  If it’s adding WVU now, that means it knows — as does the rest of the world — that Missouri is SEC-bound.  The chances of anyone ever seeing a Big 12 featuring both Mizzou and WVU are extremely remote.)

Notre Dame News

And here’s where things get interesting.  Orangebloods.com — which often puts out just what Texas officials want put out — started this ball rolling with its initial report on a possible Irish-Big 12 union.  Several people have since picked it up and ran further with it…

11.  Berry Tramel of The Oklahoman says Notre Dame joining the Big 12 as a part-time member is “probably a long shot” and that it would be “in many ways a dubious arrangement,” but it could save the league.

12.  Lenn Robbins of The New York Post says that the Irish are weighing the Big Ten (full-time membership), the ACC (full-time membership) and the Big 12 (non-football membership).

13.  Former Notre Dame AD and ACC commissioner Gene Corrigan — whose son coaches lacrosse at UND — believes the Irish and the ACC would be a perfect fit and that Notre Dame has to take full-time membership in a conference seriously at this point.

We’ll stop on 13 — coincidence? — and make just a couple more observations to conclude:

* Missouri’s exit and exit fees would be helped if West Virginia could extricate itself from the Big East.  Ironically, both schools are all but set to move, are trying to negotiate their exits even as we speak, yet can’t really say that they’re on the move.

* Fair or not, Missouri is being viewed as a villain in all of this by some SEC fans (and media).  Those who don’t understand all that’s involved with the Big 12′s legal threats, believe Mizzou is simply dragging its feet or somehow leveraging the SEC.  I can guarantee you that SEC presidents are not about to be leveraged by Missouri.

* From a short-term, football-only perspective, the Big 12 will get more kudos than the SEC if expansion finally breaks as it appears to be breaking.  TCU and West Virginia are viewed as a stronger combo — right now — than a Texas A&M/Missouri combo.  Of course, conference realignment involves more than just drafting football teams.  Compare the universities, their alumni bases, their television pull and the SEC is getting the better deal.  But that won’t matter to the messageboard crowd.

* I keep seeing Big 12 fans ripping Missouri for trying to leave.  Hopefully, these aren’t Texas, Oklahoma or Oklahoma State fans because all three of those schools have tried to escape the Big 12 in the past 20 months.

* Regarding Notre Dame — An entry into the Big 12 is a long shot and even it eventually comes to pass, it will have no impact on Missouri’s move to the SEC.  Despite what’s being tossed around on Big 12 websites today.

We’ll have more as real news develops.  Hopefully this breakdown condenses everything into a nice, neat, clear package for you.

And as we stated at the top, from speaking with our sources, we still believe it’s likely Missouri will find its way to the SEC for 2012.

 


168 comments
KC_Mizzou
KC_Mizzou

Regarding other schools in the Big 12 ripping Missouri...
No, it has typically been Kansas alums doing the ripping. Living in Kansas City, it has amazed me to see the venom - like MO is the girfriend in the relationship doing the dumping. I guess the other schools feel dumped, particularly KS (who, of course, like a rejected beau won't admit it).

Kansas City is particularly interesting. I can understand the perceived loss in terms of revenue, tradition, events in KC, etc. But local talk radio - one host, in particular - have been over the top with their anger and bitterness. In actuality, it reminds me a lot of the bitterness those same radio hosts hold toward St. Louis (and the Cardinals). Makes me think that a lot of what is driving the ripping is actually jealousy and inferiority. I've always said this city has an inferiority complex towards St. Louis (and lifelong Kansas Citians have agreed with that statement). I suppose KS has always had an inferiority complex towards MIzzou.

What are you gonna' do?

AGator
AGator

There's a really good article in today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch. It's an interview with Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin about A&M's move to the SEC with some discussion about Missouri. I know we aren't allowed to post links here so you can find it at stltoday.com then take the sports link then the mizzou link.

@jtfris
@jtfris

Thank God the finish line is close. We are all ready to be out of the big dysfunctional and into a stable conference. The Big 8 was great but the Big 12 sucks.

safety guy
safety guy

This thing is out of control. The schools and networks are in the process of killing the goose that is laying the golden eggs. If they dont watch out, congress is going to get involved and really screw this thing up. Can you imagine the conference commissioners, TV network executives, and BCS honchos having to testify before congress to tell them what is going on and where this thing is headed. Not that anybody would really tell the whole truth. More people are caring about where their schools are going to end up more than the actual games. The daily expansion posts to the blog seemingly have the most comments by far than the other posts that involve actual games.

Aggiefaithful
Aggiefaithful

Since the SEC seems set with their recent pick ups, West Virginia deserved an invite to the ACC, not the Big 12. I know the Big East is a sinking ship, but the Big 12 conference is on life support, contrary to what the schools will have everyone believe. once texas learns how to follow ND's lead with going out on their own, and gives their network a few years to get off and running (like 6), they will leave every other school high and dry. tu only cares about themselves. They have no conference loyalty, only business motives. I can see more inhouse fighting, as the real cause for this Louisville vs. West Virginia news today; while I am biased, it is feasible to assume texas has a hand in it.

burn kansas
burn kansas

Great update. Up here in Kansas city us mizzou guys have no choice but to read sec info and blows because there is nothing to hear or see positive from the mu side. Keep up.great.work and here is to having it done soon..MIZ!

Circus is in Town
Circus is in Town

This just in .... per Orangebloods..... the New England Patriots, Pittsburg Steelers, and Chicago Bears are leaving the NFL to join the Big 12 beginnining in 2012.

Andthensome
Andthensome

I'm from the Big 10. I have to admit that the SEC Presidents/Slive? are geniuses. Within 2-3 months they added 2 AAU schools and 31 million people. The SEC states currently have a population of 52 million and 2 AAU schools. When Texas A&M and Missouri come aboard they will have a population of 83 million people and 4 AAU schools, which mean research $$. I believe that is more than any other conference. That's all that the TV execs will look at. This is a huge score.

Lw Maxwell
Lw Maxwell

MRSEC here is my REPLY--Bias and more of a rumor than Issac Newton getting paid for Cam' by Aub. Didn't WVU and Huggs end KY in 2010, give LSU their best game, split with Aub, owned Miss and beat Georg in the BCS. Can't believe that you would call someone (not face to face) a child and say WVU cheats that the SEC's game(and rep) in football and recruiting. Any man that talks bad on another man outside of that mans presence is No man at All!!!

Lw Maxwell
Lw Maxwell

· 1 hour ago
LW Maxwell...

You really are a child.

1. Why do you think anyone here has to answer anything for you?

2. You keep asking a question that doesn't have anything to do with the story.

3. You make up nonsense that no one at this site has ever said. (Bad fans? Horrible place? I said they'd be a good fit.)

4. I'm not too sure WVU could beat 3/4 of the SEC. That's a rather bold statement. Especially since LSU rolled in Morgantown and proceeded to roll the Mountaineers just a month ago. And in basketball, it was Kentucky that ended WVU's 2011 season.

But since you're going to be childish, I'll play along at your level...

Is it because they cheat?

John

MUTigerinTX
MUTigerinTX

Speaking as a Missouri alum, the school just wants a more stable environment. Comparing schools (whether it be Nebraska and Missouri last year or West Virginia and Missouri this year) will only build more bad blood and heated debates that will really not change what is happening behind closed doors. And I say that in the sense that both schools are just trying to find a better environment to "live" and each school has great qualities to offer a conference (whoever that is). I just hope that the SEC fans on this board and throughout the United States welcome Missouri and its fans, if they become a part of the SEC. I, for one, am very excited about the prospects of watching Missouri compete in the SEC. The games in Shreveport against South Carolina and Arkansas gave me some insight into the class of fans and the environment surrounding the SEC and I would like Missouri to be apart of it. And with that, to everyone, cheers from Austin.

Andthensome
Andthensome

John/Mr.SEC-
This is a great site. As and Ohio State fan (my son attends) and growing up in Missouri, I was tentative about posting. You seem to be the only sensible writer in this whole conference realignment. I can speak from recent experience about Missouri's acedemics. My daughter wants to get into journalism and we are looking at Missouri and Northwestern (it's her choice). I feel Missouri is the #1 journalism school in the nation and Northwestern is #2. All the reports have Missouri and Northwestern 1 or 2. For example, my daughter got a 30 on her ACT and is scheduled to graduate with a 3.7 and she barely made the cut for Missouri's journalism program. I had no idea it was that tough to get into.

P.S. Before I get bashed on here...yes, Ohio State is down this year and Jim Tressel should have been fired.

Lw Maxwell
Lw Maxwell

Maybe a story about how the SEC has the most money, the best recruits, the best tradition and they self proclaim at being the best (why shouldn't they) without saying They have the Most, They should be the Best or without every traveling North of 40 during November ( a different beast ). Sounds like a good story..

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

Mrsec, I ask you this cause you seem levelheaded,
Not sure why so many say WV is replacing Mizzou. I am a WV fan also and am wearing one of their T's as I type this. Anyway the way I see it Colorado(they left 1st) was replaced by TCU and West Virginia is replacing Nebraska who left next!! Whoever comes to the BIG12 next will replace aTm and the 4th school will be Mizzous replacement. Very minor thing but just wondered what you thought. Thanks for the great site.

a&mfan
a&mfan

"Slive does not want his league to be the first league to 16" Are you talking about the first to 16 to this decade? or did you forget about the WAC 16?

Willie!T
Willie!T

Notre Dame could stabilize the BigEast, help it maintain AQ status, & substantially delay the inevitable development of the so-called super-conferences by several years.

If ND joined the BigE for football (already there with their other sports), the BigE could probably hang on to the six football schools currently in the league. So how does a league with 7 football members work? The BCS made a special rule for ND, I assume that if they join a conference, that rule likely will be nullified as long as the conference maintains AQ status. The BCS would work very hard to keep the BigEast as an AQ if ND were in the conference.

Only 7 football teams though? Perfect for Notre Dame. Six conference games, six non-conference games. Maintaining their traditional rival games against Michigan, MSU, USC, Navy, would not be hampered. The rest of the conference would be able to go out and build strong non-conference schedules as well.

The BigEast is behind the eight-ball when it comes to football. Downsizing yet maintaining AQ status would be tricky but ND could make it work.

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

The majority of the haters are the jayhawkers. It is comical. The KCStar articles about Mizzou have more jayhocks ripping Mizzou in the postings about the most rediculous things like mispelling words. Tis very sad. The funny thing is there will be mostly ku fans ripping on a lone remaining Mizzou fan after 600 posts. Apparently nothing to do in Larry, KS.

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

Hope your right jtfris about the finish line being close. Agreed on the BIG8, it was so much more fun to follow than this BIG12 crap.

UofA72
UofA72

Not surprising. Everybody knows that conference realignment is far more important to our national stability than job creation and fixing the economy.

When you don't have a clue, direct the focus somewhere else.

Josh
Josh

Looks like it may be headed that way already. Reports are a Congressional investigation may occur on how Senator Mitch McConnell intervened after the B12 & WV reached an agreement.

Parker
Parker

I am a FSU season ticket holder and booster. My first preference would be for FSU to become the 14th SEC member. I think that we are a better fit for the conference than Missouri.

If we stay in the ACC which appears to be the case, I am disappointed that the ACC did not extend a bid to West Virginia. It is tough to tell a program that has been to several BCS games and a Final 4 in recent years that they aren't wanted when the ACC has underachieved on the football field.

UofA72
UofA72

Your husband isn't going to be happy with you bringing him into this.

BTW, if the man is talking bad "on" another man, how can he be outside the man's presence? Never mind. The explanation would have to say why he was on the man in the first place, and I don't want to know.

Fred
Fred

Are you here to read SEC information, or to sell WVU honest-to-goodness product?

If you are selling WVU, this is the wrong site, son! Fortunately, SEC is not that desperate to invite WVU just yet. So, SEC has nothing to do with WVU, really!

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Somewhere, there's a village missing its idiot...

Andthensome
Andthensome

Lw Maxwell- Just relax. Nobody is slamming WVU. WVU is a good school with great athletics. Be proud of that. Unfortunately, money is driving all of this and TV sets are what matter. That's all.

Lw Maxwell
Lw Maxwell

ALso you took the fact that I said 3/4 of the SEC,ACC,and B10 not just 3/4 of the SEC. Please use the correct context...

@JMoney1536
@JMoney1536

It is tough to get in, but I believe that just strengthens our case, and thanks for the compliment Andthensome. If your daughter does choose Mizzou, I would highly recommend looking into a FIG (Freshman Interest Groups), they are extremely beneficial, especially for Journalism majors.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Andthensome...

I lived in Columbus for three years and loved the city. Original season-ticket holder for the Blue Jackets, in fact.

Thanks for the kind words and for the info on Mizzou's scholastic requirements. I think people forget that presidents making these decisions are like frat brothers deciding who to invite into their ranks. Football means money and that's important, but the guys in the bow ties want schools whose presence will help their own group's reputation, too.

Thanks for reading,
John

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

In person, you probably sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Lw Maxwell...

I'm having fun in the comment boxes today. I've got $10 for anyone who can translate what Lw Maxwell just wrote.

John

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

StevenBrew...

The Big 12 had said that it had its new 10-team lineup for 2012... including Missouri and TCU. Now Missouri is leaving. So West Virginia -- as of yesterday -- was expected to come in and fill the 10th slot opened by Missouri.

John

MissouriGuy
MissouriGuy

because WVU would be inheriting Missouri's 2012 schedule slot

UofA72
UofA72

The Big12 loses Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska, and Texas A&M, while gaining TCU and WVU.

I chose to lay this out alphabetically, so Colorado goes with TCU and Missouri goes with WVU. Reverse alphabetizing would put Texas A&M with WVU and Nebraska with TCU. I hope this clears things up for you.

Bottom Line: Anyway you combine the changes, the Big12 isn't the big 12, in size, power, or academics.

qbbearcat
qbbearcat

Really that is what you are going to nit pick about???

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

a&mfan...

I was talking about major conferences. The short-lived WAC was not comparable to the SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC, or Big 12 in terms of revenue or stature. That would be an apples to oranges comparison.

Thanks for reading,
John

Lw Maxwell
Lw Maxwell

No man at All!!! Maybe you think that way (sick) or maybe you have some sugar in the tank!!!

Lw Maxwell
Lw Maxwell

Answer- I live by Neyland stadium, I'm from WV both are very relevant to me....................

Lw Maxwell
Lw Maxwell

OK, I meant Cecil not Issac - and I love WVU and SEC football (even Vandy 0Best in the land past,present, maybe future

UofA72
UofA72

Funny and accurate. A great combination.

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

I think he was addressing the impact of phytopotentials in India with regard to how people who are reaching their 40th birthday in November somehow turn into beasts. I'd have to agree, that WOULD BE a good story.....

Andthensome
Andthensome

John,

I think in the last sentence he is trying to say that the teams from the SEC don't play up north in the cold weather during November. WVU is parallel with Columbus, OH. It's only 90 miles south of Pittsburgh. That's my best guess.

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

Sorry, but didnt mean to be nitpicky

SEC MIZ
SEC MIZ

"... were a woman?" She had a sex change?

UofA72
UofA72

You keep saying, "No man at All!!!!!". Why wouldn't I think you were a woman?

To quote one of your earlier attempts at coherency, "You still haven't answered my question". Never mind that one, let's try a new one.

Do you remember all those years you were stuck in the second grade?

houstonvol
houstonvol

Leave Knoxville and UT out of this. I for one prefer Mizzou to WVU. UT fills the SEC hillbilly quota.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Your arbitrary use of capitalization bugs me.

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

I could tell you some things about that, but then I'd have to kill you.

UofA72
UofA72

You get my vote for the $10. Have you considered a career as a CIA decryptionist?

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