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Report: WVU “Accepted” Into Big 12

Boy the rumors and reports are flying today.  I can’t type a word before someone else makes a new claim.

Pete Thamel of The New York Times is now reporting that West Virginia has “applied and are accepted” into the Big 12 “leaving only legal entanglements from making the move official.”

The fact that WVU is already accepted — if Thamel’s source is correct — shows that Missouri is already “unofficially” out the door.  But according to Thamel:

“Legal problems are holding up Missouri’s move, as it has to negotiate an exit fee, and there is a concern among Big 12 teams about how to fill the void in their schedules that Missouri would leave.  That creates two problems, as universities will have to scramble to find another opponent, perhaps from the Football Championship Subdivision.  A victory over a team from that level would not count toward a Big 12 member’s bowl eligibility.  It will also cause the Big 12 to fall short of fulfilling its television contract.  Both could be costly for the league.”

(Technically, the NCAA allows one win against an FCS school to count toward bowl eligibility, depending on the situation.)

Thamel also reports that the Big 12 is planning to stick at 10 schools for now.  (Talk of a push to 16 teams is nonsense.)

Isn’t it amazing how schools can jump from the Big 12 and MWC to the Pac-12, from the Big 12 to the Big Ten, and from the Big East to the ACC without massive threats of lawsuits?  Yet let anyone talk to the SEC and they’re going to be forced to lawyer-up.

At this point, Missouri is still trying to work out its departure from the Big 12.  As stated earlier, we still believe MU will be able to buy its way out of that league and we believe MU will be playing in the SEC East in 2012.  That’s the goal for all involved.

A collapse of the Big East would certainly speed up the process, though, allowing WVU to fill Mizzou’s slot in the Big 12 as soon as possible.  Anybody else out there want to finish off the Big East?

 


46 comments
JWtts
JWtts

Love the honesty with "anyone else willing to finish off the Big East?". Be nice if the Big 12 took 3. Mount USA shouldn't merge for an expiring BCS bid. Big east has nothing to offer unless some schools get in for basketball. The football schools should exit & join MountUSA.. It's a shame they can't strip the Big East of its BCS status before 2015.

wayne
wayne

the big east will not go away it will still be here as a basketball league

FourThinInches
FourThinInches

john, I thought the ACC took those schools because, "ESPN told them to do it." Well at least that was the quote from Boston College's AD on their recent expansion, he also mentioned he personally blocked UCONN from joining.

John Bragg
John Bragg

"Yet let anyone talk to the SEC and they’re going to be forced to lawyer-up."

I think the source of the lawyering-up is not the SEC's skitterishness, but the un-clarity of the Big 12 bylaws.

The ACC took Syracuse and Pittsburgh like one pimp taking prostitutes from another, with no fear of legal problems because they had a pretty good idea of the legal framework. $5M, wait 27 months, and the school is out of the Big East. Maybe you can negotiate the 27 months, maybe not.

Take a school from Conference USA, and the procedure is also clear. School pays $7M or so in exit fees, 12 months notice, and, welcome to the Big East, Central Florid.

The Big 12 bylaws are an unclear mess. THAT's when you call in the high priced lawyers.

Greg
Greg

The Big East will live on as a skeleton of itself. There will always be teams that can be added - always. Nothing can stop the Big East from collecting its exit fees. It's current BCS status will remain intact until it expires regardless of what watered down teams are in it.

Jamie Thornton
Jamie Thornton

Another crazy thing in all are reports of NOtre Dame and the BIg 12 being in serious talks. Notre Name already said yesterday they're going to let the BIg East know about their status of non football sports. Word in several reports say NOtre Dame could move it's non football sports to the Big 12. That could kill the Big East for sure. If that happens, the ACC might go ahead and take UConn and Rutgers. THat would be the death of the BIg East for sure.

Statesman
Statesman

John,

Would ESPN encourage Texas to hold-up Mizzou's exit because of the potential demise of ESPN. The Big East commissioner appears to be lawsuit-oriented and after the BC AD's comment about ESPN's advisory role I can see some attorney connecting the demise to the Pitt Syracuse defection causing uncertainty and forcing members such as WVa. to leave. Any thoughts?

rmft
rmft

THANK GOD

now these WVU fans can find some other website to flood with moronic posts about how great their program is

good riddance mountaineers

Tony
Tony

Missouri blaming the Big East conference is the most ridiculous thing I've heard on here yet.

hihoze
hihoze

WVU would love to be in the SEC. It was never a realistic consideration until all this craziness. WVU would be THE perfect fit for the SEC. As to the Big East, if WVU leaves for the Big12, it makes the BE questionable and if Cincy and Louisville went it would be all over. UConn and Rutgers would most likely get picked up by the ACC or Big10. If Rutgers and UConn could do a package deal that's what I would do. The idea that the Big12 is shaky is doubtful imo, due to the frank discussions and financial changes now taking place to benefit all B12 members. Not sure how ND would fit in but ND used the BE without a care about BE football.

Greg
Greg

The Big East is not going to collapse any further. Everything has stabilized. With the B12, ACC, & SEC all stopping at the # of schools they have, there is no more expansion to take place - no more schools to leave the Big East. I think Uconn is probably the most pi&&ed at being left out because Boston College really black balled them hard from ACC membership.

MIZ_SEC
MIZ_SEC

The Big East's ridiculous demand to make its current schools wait 27 months before leaving is holding all of this up. Hopefully they see the light that forcing someone to stay that doesn't want to be there is in no one's best interests.

Big East needs to let WVU walk (as well as Pitt and Syracuse), so then Mizzou can go to the SEC without fearing litigation from voiding the Big 12 TV deals.

tradeassociation
tradeassociation

“Legal problems are holding up Missouri’s move, as it has to negotiate an exit fee, and there is a concern among Big 12 teams about how to fill the void in their schedules that Missouri would leave. That creates two problems, as universities will have to scramble to find another opponent, perhaps from the Football Championship Subdivision. A victory over a team from that level would not count toward a Big 12 member’s bowl eligibility. It will also cause the Big 12 to fall short of fulfilling its television contract. Both could be costly for the league.”

Ummm ... why not just swap West Virginia on the schedule for Missouri? You know, like they are already doing with TCU? Cut A&M, paste TCU. Cut Mizzou, paste WVU. End of story. That is, unless you are trying to extort as much cash from Mizzou as possible. Keep in mind: Texas and Oklahoma tried to leave last year without paying any exit fees at all (and Mizzou would have been one of the teams left behind with no exit fee compensation and likely no major conference affiliation) and had it not been for first Baylor and then A&M (who was never consulted with the Pac-16 deal, only threatened with severe repercussions if they didn't go along) they would have gotten away with it.

Anybody still think that staying in the Big 12 is in Mizzou's best interests? Oh yeah, and where are all the "West Virginia is JUST DYING to join the SEC, they're a great cultural fit, their hearts are set on it, and they would join the SEC TOMORROW if Slive would quit being so concerned with AAU status and MONEY and give them a chance?" Well guys, the SEC was only ONE of THREE conferences that Oliver Luck has tried to wedge his program into the past month - the ACC, the SEC and now the Big 12 - and had he not already known in advance that the Big 10 would say no and didn't bother wasting his time or the university letterhead, it would have been FOUR. WVU's interest in the SEC was the same reason as Mizzou's ... SOLELY BECAUSE THEIR OWN CONFERENCE WAS GOING AWAY. And no, the SEC was never WVU's first choice. The ACC was, hands down. (It is funny ... all of WVU's longtime conference mates and rivals from the Big East and Metro conferences went to the ACC, turned their backs on the Mountaineers, and didn't look back. Just like Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are going to do in 6 years when they go to the Pac-12.) So PLEASE people, stop it with the "WVU loves the SEC" stuff, because it was never true.

@KP_Kennedy
@KP_Kennedy

So what happened to Auburn moving to the East if/when Missouri comes on board?

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

AU4life...

Like A&M, it should be between $26 and $30 million, but those numbers are almost always negotiated down.

John

AU4life
AU4life

hey john. how much are we talking that mizzou will have to pay to be out by next season? Is it $ 30 million like they are saying here in dallas?

Micheal Cummings
Micheal Cummings

I think that when you are dealing with SEC when its comes down to realignment, just bring a lawyer. Like what John says, this is crazy, ACC raided Big East, B12 raided Big East, but do you hear of any lawyer or lawsuits, Nope but when the SEC comes to the picture, its Baylor Bold(tm) and Lawsuits. Big East isnt going to last at all.

Troy
Troy

Now with the Big East falling apart, B12 in discussion with Notre Dame for ND to move it's non-football sports to the B12 and ND football included in the B12 bowl lineup in exhcange for ND playing six B12 games per year. B12 enticing Mo to remain in the B12 by guaranteeing games against ND and increased revenue in television contracts reports Orangeblood.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

John Bragg...

We didn't suggest the SEC was skittish. We said any school that talks to the SEC gets threatened with lawsuits. It's 2 for 2 so far. That was all that was said.

John

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

Yes, but Colorado and Nebraska left the very same Big 12 last year and there were no legal wranglings. And the Pac-12 doesn't seem to have been worried about blowing apart the Big 12 for 2 years running now......can they make it a 3-peat?

ESPN and the like have been criticizing the SEC and any party that may want into the SEC because 1) they don't want to pony up extra cash for an expanded SEC or 2) put together a new SEC Network.

You have all these other conference parties making it difficult on the SEC because the SEC is already the best product. They don't want to fall further behind.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

How exciting! Next year's Sugar Bowl - LSU vs. Rutgers.

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

I think UConn and Rutgers definitely want to get into the ACC, but I think the ACC may wait until Notre Dame is forced to join a football conference. If ND is willing to move their non-football sports into the Big 12 and hang onto independence a little longer then I think the ACC may be willing to wait until ND's hand is forced again until they make a move to 16.

houstonvol
houstonvol

I have said all along that I could see a partnership between the B12, BYU and ND. BYU plays football only and keeps their other sports in the WCC. thus eliminating the Sunday issue, and some of the major issues with BYUtv. ND joins the B12 in all sports other than football. ND does tie into the B12 bowl contracts, including the BCS. No more special ND deal. The conference is balanced with 12 football schools and 12 in the rest of the sports. This does assume the B12 picking up WVU and L'ville to round out the schools.

Statesman
Statesman

meant--potential demise of Big East.

skillet
skillet

ESPN is so deep into this with every conference, that trying to keep up with potential conflicts of interest is impossible.

ESPN stands to make/lose money based on renegotiated contracts with the SEC and ACC. They also have to work with changes to the B12 and (LHN). The total value of those contracts pale in comparision to the demise of the Big East which was going to die anyway.

Red Thompson
Red Thompson

shame on you! WVU has great tradition, great people and is southern like. Mizzo is much better than WVU and it is like another Arkansas. a good addition to the SEC

Jamie Thornton
Jamie Thornton

I'm not a WVU fan, but they have won more games, had more 11-0 seasons in the last 15 years(98, 03) Won 2 bcs bowl games v.s OU and Georgia(where MU has not even been in one) Have more wins all-time, get higher tv ratings in the Big 12 cities than Missouri, and I can go on and on. NOt trying to say anything bad about MIzzou, but these are all facts. They can't be argued.

jwh8541
jwh8541

Missouri's blaming nobody. Missouri's said nothing about WVU or the Big East that's all coming from elsewhere in the B12.

Alan
Alan

Texas has a plan for Texas ( to B1G with ND maybe?) Ok,OKSt, Kan, KanSt (or a TX school) to PAC-16 maybe, the Big 12 is nowhere near stable past 3-4 years. Texas wants to get its LHN up and going then we will see. WV will find a home but a the rest will be grabbing whatever they can.

Glenn
Glenn

Sorry Greg . Not true . The ACC has already said it wants to go to 16 teams with four pods . UConn ans Rutgers will join the ACC once they know for certain Notre Dame isn't an option . Notre Dame from what I read let it be known to the Big 10 that if they had to have full conference affiliation the ACC was their preference .

John Bragg
John Bragg

It's in their interests if that's what it takes to keep a league built out of spit, twine and duct tape together. One option is to hold the lame duck schools hostage until they can get Villanova up to FBS standards, which takes two years. If they want to grab Temple (or UMass, or anyone) from the MAC, the MAC has a two-year exit notice requirement.

Why, exactly, should the Big East give a hoot about Missouri getting to the SEC or the Big 12 deal getting voided? It's not like the Big 12 gives a hoot about the Big East football conference existing.

I'm not saying either party is wrong here. I'm saying that the Big East holding their schools hostage may be what they have to do to survive.

John Bragg
John Bragg

"Ummm ... why not just swap West Virginia on the schedule for Missouri?"

Because legally, West Virginia is tied to the Big East for two more years. I think the resolution will be that Missouri plays 2012 in the Big 12 and pays little to no exit fee. Nebraska paid $9M and Colorado paid $7M with roughly one year's notice, A&M is looking at a settlement along those lines with around 10 months notice.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

@KP Kennedy...

We've reported since last week that Missouri will be in the SEC East.

John

rmft
rmft

mizzou is going to the East instead

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Bama and UT are apparently holding the move hostage unless their rivalry game is guaranteed.

jwh8541
jwh8541

I've been reading reports its something on the order of 13 mil. Have no idea who comes up with any of these #s but 30 is patently outrageous.

Glenn
Glenn

Watch this . If ND works out an arrangement with the B12 for any length of time I will bet you a ham sandwich the ACC will nab Rutgers and UConn . At that point no Big East . They will go to four , four team pods . The ACC does want to go to 16 teams .

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

So, ND would be able to partake in one of the B12’s bowl tie-ins but would be under no obligation to share their tv money from their lucrative NBC contract? If the conference is already experiencing a meltdown over the Longhorn Network, I can’t see how this would fly.

Mizzou fan in Texas
Mizzou fan in Texas

there is no way West Virginia gets higher tv ratings in Big 12 cities than Missouri....just a silly statement

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

I doubt anyone will be held to that 27 month waiting period. Pitt and Syracuse are heading out and we don't know when exactly they'll be gone, but I doubt it will be 27 months.

Another aspect to remember here is that the BIg 12 went to 9 conference games this year. If they only have 9 teams next year(including TCU) then they can play an 8 game round robin schedule. I don' see why anyone is worried about having too few quality games. Texas has already said they have all of their OOC games wrapped up until 2018 so that's the "reason" they can't play A&M. If they REALLY need another OOC game then A&M is available. It's the same thing with Kansas. They are the ones that don't want to play Mizzou anymore so there's another OOC game guaranteed without having to shuffle the schedule.

This is all a big game. All a backhanded way of screwing Mizzou in any immature way they can.....

John
John

Their TV contract is not that lucrative. ND's cut of the Big Ten's contract would be more annually than what they get from NBC.

Jamie Thornton
Jamie Thornton

That was reported by Pete, from the NY TIMEs. HE said it on ESPN radio about 40 minutes ago. HE said they looked at the tv numbers and WVU draws better tv ratings than Mizzou in the Big 12. So that was his report. I'm just reporting what he reported.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

My point is that if the Big XII allows such an agreement to proceed, the public perception will be that they’re desperate to maintain relevance. Why else would a conference that has been publicly notorious for their egos allow such a special sweetheart deal to ND? It was special, sweetheart deals that caused all this furor in the first place and continuing more of the same would certainly raise the question of future viability once the tv grant period runs its course. It’s certainly a better option than what the Big East enjoyed but it’s still granting ND the privilege of sitting separate and above its potential Big XII brethren. I can’t see anyone outside of ND and potentially Texas being ok with that in the long run.

John Bragg
John Bragg

The propaganda line: This is just the same deal Notre Dame used to have with the Big East.

Err, let's try again. "Having Notre Dame in the bowl lineup will compensate for the loss of Nebraska, Colorado, A&M who were attractive teams for bowls. Having ND in the mix will help the Big 12's next round of bowl negotiations." Excited yet, Big 12 fans?

Ok, how about the Notre Dame-Big 12 series of six games a year? Maybe that's the big advantage for the Big 12? Maybe Texas just wants to keep Notre Dame away from the ACC or Big 10? An annual or semi-annual game against Notre Dame isn't a bad thing, and Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl every four years would create some excitement, even at the expense of a Big 12 school.

The bowl arrangement is a very nice pickup for Notre Dame. Big 12 has the Cotton Bowl, Alamo Bowl, plus better Brand X bowls than the Big East. The Pinstripe Bowl in New York gets the Big 12 #7, Big East #4, to remind everyone of how the food chain works. (It's rather fair, as by this week's ranking the Big East winner (BCS bowl) would be the #6 pick from the Big 12, with a trip to Houston for the Meineke Car Care Bowl.)

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Fair point but inviting ND as some sort of pseudo conference member would not reflect well on the appearance of stability. Smacks of a deperate attempt to maintain credidbility as a top-2 football power.

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