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Missouri-SEC Expansion Notes To Fill The Quiet Before The Storm

Quiet before the storm.

That idiom seems to apply to the expected marriage of Missouri and the SEC.  Sources close to the Mizzou program began talking to media outlets from Kansas City to New York City earlier this week and the message was the same: Tomorrow’s board of curators meeting could be D-Day for the Tigers.

It’s believed that the board — which gave MU chancellor Brady Deaton the right to explore conference options 15 days ago — will decide tomorrow or Friday to abandon the Big 12 and ask for a membership application from Mike Slive’s league.

After a flurry of information from MU’s side of things, all’s gone quiet of late.

Below are a couple of the headlines that have been posted in the past 24 hours on the subject… in case you want something to break up the silence before tomorrow’s announcem… er… meeting.

1.  Missouri’s decision to stay or go will have an impact on three different conferences — the Big 12, the SEC, and the Big East (which stands to be raided by the Big 12 if the Tigers bolt).

2.  From Mizzou to the Big East, everyone is looking for stability.

3.  This Kansas City writer says he and a lot of Kansas City sports fans will lose interest in Missouri if the school joins the SEC.

4.  Next Saturday — October 29th — (“Saturday week” as some of us say down South) Missouri will play at Texas A&M.  It would be fitting if Mizzou and the SEC tie the knot prior to next Sunday, turning that contest into an SEC preview.

And one last extra note from last week (just because it’s brought up on a regular basis…

5.  While Missouri’s exit fee on paper might be $23-35 million, “no one ever pays” the high end penalty for leaving a conference.  Those exit fees are negotiated down, which is why Chuck Neinas said last week that MU would be in the Big 12 through 2012-13.  At MrSEC.com, we believe he was simply laying the groundwork for his “high end” starting point in the Big 12′s negotiations with Mizzou.

 


65 comments
Red Thompson
Red Thompson

Too bad the SEC let in a non-competitive team who they have to share money with. Missouri is clearly a Midwestern state and belongs in the Big 10. I hate to see the SEC resort to taking a program wanting to be in the Big 10.

Jamie Thornton
Jamie Thornton

Tim Brando talking today with some guest all said Mizzou would be in the east. It really isn't a huge deal. Maybe to USC and FLorida. BUt UK, Vandy, and UT are in states that border Mizzou. Athens Georgia is about the same trip to LSU.

Mightymo
Mightymo

SEC sounds like an awesome place for MIZZOU! We are a deeply traditional university that will contribute both academically and athletically to the already excellent institutions in the SEC! It is a great honor to have this excellent opportunity!

Justa Thought
Justa Thought

I don't understand why everyone thinks that Mizzou to the SEC East is the only way to maintain rivalries. Put Mizzou in the west, move Vandy to the west and move both Auburn and Alabama to the east. This makes good geographic sense as Nashville and Tuscaloosa are almost the same in east-west terms. Mizzou keeps game with ATM and starts new border war with Arkansas.

This makes good sense in competitive terms in separating the Alabama schools from LSU and also makes sense in recruiting terms as western teams can focus recruiting in Texas and eastern in Florida. Vandy can keep UT as their protected out of division game and joins 2nd oldest rival Mississippi in the west. Plus other great protected games. Mizzou-Kentucky border war. Alabama-Mississippi. Floriday-LSU.

I think they should look seriously at this alignment as the best for all.

Topwaterpig
Topwaterpig

It makes geographic sense, but the "traditional powers" in the SEC (Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee in the East and Alabama, Auburn and LSU in the West) are currently evenly split. Shifting the Alabama schools East would mess up "competitive balance" long term. Granted, the East powers are down right now, but not that long ago those 3 schools were routinely beating up on down programs at Bama, Auburn and LSU. I don't think you'd see any realignment that shifts both Alabama schools over and leaves LSU as the only traditional power school in the West.

Kaleb
Kaleb

This is the best way to incorporate Mizzou into the mix without a doubt! Mizzou and Vandy to the West while Bama and Auburn go to the East.
Just Fabulous! I'm gonna repeat this as my very own idea and take credit for it!

a&mfan
a&mfan

Here's why. Vandy would NEVER agree to do that. Vandy cannot even compete in the East. If Vandy wants to make a bowl game it will be in the East, not the West. Missouri to the East makes sense and they are willing to do it.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Doesn’t have anything to do with Vandy competing. These things are cyclical and it wasn’t that long ago that the East was the dominant division. The issue is that if you separate Alabama from the West, you’ll end up with LSU winning the division at least half the time. You need to equally divide the traditional powers to ensure competitive balance.

MIZ-SEC
MIZ-SEC

Curious how recruiting changed for Arkansas after joining the SEC??? Any preliminary evidence for how recruiting is going for A&M since they made it official??

a&mfan
a&mfan

A&M was 27th in recruiting in the month of May. Once rumors started that they were heading to the SEC. They are now ranked 6th according to rivals. That is better than OU and LSU.

Howdy
Howdy

Oh...one more thing....just cause you apply, doesn't mean you get in. The SEC didn't go out looking for Missouri! LOL. I mean come on. It's only because Missouri actually came out and said they "informally accept" (WHAT A JOKE!!!) How can you "informally accept" a non-existant invitation?? LOL. Like they run the SEC? Or can just say what conference they want to be in and BAM..they are in?? I say let them sit there with their PERFECTLY good conference. OR, since you like the Big Ten so much, wait for that invitation. If I was MIke Slive, I would have to be asking myself...why should we accept a school that even the Big Ten doesn't want? I mean the SEC should at least be looking at whether the football (since this is all about football) team has won their current conference OUTRIGHT lately. If the SEC is so exclusive, and it is, then that is what should be considered. Just because Missouri wants to change conferences, doesn't mean that Missouri can. They have a perfectly good conference now. The BigXII just voted to change the flow of money and added TCU. Just because you want to be in the SEC and be the elite of the elite, doesn't mean that you should or will be. We all want a lot of things.

Toby
Toby

Using that thought proces... why does the SEC keep Vanderbilt in the conference?

KC Guy
KC Guy

Hey Guys, As a Mizzou fan, the more I hear about the East division, the more it seems to make more sense. I'm actually starting to get excited about the move even though I'm a little apprehensive about leaving KU and the familiar rivalries. Ok, so here's my question... Missouri playing in a division called the "SEC East" doesn't make much geographic sense. Could the SEC put Mizzou in the East and then rename the divisions, similar to what the Big 10 did last year with the Legends and Leaders? What are some name suggestions? Also, if Missouri was put in the East, I would think their yearly rivalry game would be against Arkansas. Would South Carolina become Texas A&M's new "rival"? Could make for some interesting games.

jack
jack

The division names will not be changed.

bamahead
bamahead

KC - the reason it makes the most sense to 'us' is because putting Mizzou in the SEC East keeps all of the permanent intra-divisional rivalries we have currently intact. Rivalries that have been going on for the better half of most of these teams' existence - like Auburn-UGA, Ala-Tenn, LSU-Fla, which are intra-division games that happen every year mean a lot to the makeup of our conference. They've been going on for 100 years in most cases. The Big XII model of play three teams then switch really doesn't appeal to us.

So if Mizzou gets into the West, our divisions become unbalanced, and chances are we will end up losing one or more of those rivalires. It makes sense to put Mizzou in the 'East' to most of us for that reason, even if it doesn't make sense geographically.

bamahead
bamahead

Where there would need to be a bit of a break to give Mizzou better geographic rivalries would be to switch the current Ark-USC rivalry and make Arky your permanent rival. USC would then pair up w/A&M for their yearly intra-division game. The Ark-USC rivalry has only been a staple since '92 when both joined the conference, so there isn't 100 years of tradition being bucked.

That said, I think everybody here can certainly understand your trepidation about losing the KU game. I'm not sure there's an easy all around solution that will keep everyone happy. Somebody's Rival is going to take a hit - unless the SEC changes to another scheduling model that allows teams to keep two permanent intra-division rivals. This is actually how things worked up until around 7-8 years ago.

Personally I just want to get all this noise done and over and play some ball. I hate uncertainty.

Howdy
Howdy

Im still not sure I see how Missouri would benefit the SEC. I do know of one school in particular that the SEC would LOVE to get. Virginia Tech. The SEC is about the best, and sorry Missouri...you're not it. I can only see the SEC's stock going down by adding Missouri. Terrible football program, and from what I have heard and seen about St Louis/Kansas City area, NFL rules there, then Kansas. And to everyone that thinks Virginia Tech wouldn't listen if Slive came a callin'....think again. Virginia Tech is NOT married to UVA at all (ummm...UVA wasn't in the Big East...so how were they married then??). UVA would gladly let VT go. Who do you think is in their way for any kind of ACC title shot? VT. Also...Missouri is NOT the south. Let alone southeast. What a waste of a pick. Of course the UGA fans want Missouri in, and in the east too! HAHAAH...its cause they want a team they can beat. Geez...hopefully Alabama and LSU hold onto their votes and wait for a more suitable program option to open up (cause it will)...VIRGINIA TECH!!

TREX
TREX

Having a vested interest in the SEC,my grandaughter graduated the University of Alabama in August,I believe Mizzou will be an excellent fit into the SEC from a cultural and academic perpective.From a competition standpoint Football should fit in the middle third and basketball in the upper echelon,with that being said hopefully this can be put to rest in the very near future!!ROLLTIDE!!!

TheTruth
TheTruth

That article from the Star in Kansas City that says people will loose interest is BY FAR the worst article I have ever wasted time reading. He is dead wrong and he knows it. Pitiful journalism, if that's what you want to call it. A local guy biased because his beat will change and he might have to work a bit harder. Pathetic.

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

If you are referring to the Martin Manley article "Mizzou WHo?", I agree and I almost threwup in my mouth reading it. Professionalism has taken a back seat in KC for sure(especially Keitzman).

guest
guest

The SEC is about being from the South. With the addition of A&M the only three states that were represented by a star in the Confederate Battle Flag but not in the SEC are Virginia, N.C., and Missouri. While UNC, Va Tech, or Florida State would be preferred over Mizzou, a lot of Missourians outside of St. Louis consider themselves Southern. The border war between the Kansas jayhawkers/red legs and Missouri guerillas was the most brutal conflict within the War Between the States. Missouri to the SEC would be all right.

Secfan
Secfan

One could equally argue that the B1G is about being from the North. Missouri had its star on both flags. Missouri supplied nearly 110,000 troops to the Union and about 40,000 troops for the Confederate Army.

Minnemo
Minnemo

Mizzou will fit in with the SEC no matter which division they go to. They'll take some lumps in football but should get better recruits from SEC stomping grounds.

vstillwell
vstillwell

Yeah right. I've got a sweet bridge to sell you too. You're high if you think Mizoo will win in the SEC at anything. You guys couldn't win squat in the Big 12. How many conference championships have the Tigers won? I'm going to take a wild guess here and say NONE. Recruiting in the SEC "stomping grounds"? Really? Yeah, Mizzo's going to out recruit Alabama. If you believe that, I've got two bridges to sell you.
The really said thing about all of this is that Mizzoo sucks so bad at everything even though it's the only D1 school in that piece of crap state. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised by that. The top export from Missery is meth. But, hey, if you join the SEC everything's going to be great. I think the SEC is letting you in for the LULZ.

ZouGuy3
ZouGuy3

Another fine product of the Kansas edjumacation system. Good-bye Beakers!

Big Cat
Big Cat

Mizzou is honored to be invited to the SEC. They'll go to the East gladly. The SEC will not be disappointed in accepting the Tigers.
MIZ

KC Guy
KC Guy

ZOU - And agreed. The Tigers are honored to be invited to the SEC.

frank
frank

please MIZ go to SEC now so big 12 can raid the big east so big east can die or add schools lets get this done so we can get back to foot ball as larry the cable gay says lets get er done

ncaafootballfan
ncaafootballfan

You know, there are plenty of good football teams out there to put into these conferences. And some of the football programs getting snatched are just media markets. Take Pitt, Syracuse, and Boston College - none of those teams have been great for a while and there are teams better than them in football to slide into these conferences.

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

Sorry to stray from football, but was wondering how the hoops side of things are in the SEC. Is it split so you have 2 divisions and a title game.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Sorry StevenBrew but outside of Kentucky, I don't think any SEC fan's brains are wired to comprehend the existence of basketball until football season is over.

WPSforever
WPSforever

Ha ha! The SEC has been doing east/west divisions in basketball for a while, but that will be going away this year in favor of a 12 team, one division conference.

JEH
JEH

As a Mizzou fan it is simply awesome, and speaks so much of how great the SEC truly is, that there is tremendous upside no matter which division you decide to put us in. It probably makes more sense long term for us to be in West, but going into the East would be helpful from a short term competitiveness standpoint. I'll echo MIZ-SEC's point that if we go East, I hope Arky becomes our cross-division opponent. There should be some dislike between rivals imo. Not sure if they dislike us or not, but it's there for us due to Mike Anderson and who doesn't already dislike Bobby P? : )

MIZ-SEC
MIZ-SEC

Being in the East is the best case scenario. Road trips are already in the works. Cool stuff!!!

vstillwell
vstillwell

Could you kiss a little more southern butt? Pucker up, chief.

It doesn't matter which division Mizzou ends up in. You'll be at the bottom, bottom boy.

ZouGuy3
ZouGuy3

You've already got Vandy, Kentucky, and Ole Miss covering that post. You'll find us somewhere above them, although maybe not much above.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Anybody from Atlanta loathes Bobby P for the way he left the Falcons.

GAforMU
GAforMU

Arkansas and Missouri is a rivalry, although more in Basketball. I can remember all the games between Norm Stewart and Nolan Richardson they are classics. Now that Mike Anderson is there, ready to get back to it. Plus I will never forget being in Ft. Smith Arkansas a couple years ago when we played them in the Bowl game, and I almost got kicked out of where I was watching the game for being an MU fan. It's a much better rivalry than Kansas. Plus there is a lot of Football rivalry in High School football between Jeff City and Ft. Smith they used to have an annual game. Plus who can forget Arkansas stealing Jef City's running back last year in recruitting because they were an SEC school. Getting fired up just thinking about it ... can't wait to be in the SEC!!!!!!

Medloh
Medloh

It would be a shame if we didn't get to play the Hogs every year. Campuses only a little over 300 miles apart. It would be fun week in Springfield in Joplin.

I know Pinkel has developed a good relationship with a lot of Texas high school programs, and I have no idea if or how much that would change if we only played A&M once every 3 or 6 years.

At the end of the day I'll be thrilled if we get into the SEC in any divisional alignment with any cross division rival.

Bruce Holt
Bruce Holt

I am anxious for this to get through and finally DONE !!
I am hoping that the Mizzou Tigers are playing in the conference next year along with A&M !

MIZ_SEC
MIZ_SEC

Mizzou to the East seems like the most logical fit due to maintaining rivalries and balancing divisional strength. The distance between Columbia, MO and East division campuses is practically the same as it would be in the West, and Mizzou has a larger alumni base in the East region. I hope Mizzou gets Arkansas as our permanent rival, that could develop into a fun annual series.

Tiger fan
Tiger fan

I'm praying we get A&M as our rival. We want/need that Texas connection for the recruiting base Pinkel and staff have developed over the past 10 years. Going from playing 4 Texas schools to 1 is bad enough - please don't make us go cold turkey.

If the pod system develops as expected, we can get the Arky rivalry going then. If it's 2 years or 5 years, so be it. 2-5 years without a regular game against A&M would really hurt the relationships built up with the Texas high schools. Going to the SEC, we're gonna need all the players we can get.

John M. Martin Jr.
John M. Martin Jr.

That is only if the SEC does not change the number of Conference games, too include two permanent rivals. if they do change the schedule then they could go west and auburn east and all the rivalries stay put. It's really up to the Conference on how they handle it, they have done well so far, i think we can expect more of the same. As to strength "My Opinoion" I think A&M and MU might be a tad stronger than most fans give them credit for in the near future. Changing to the SEC will give them the same slogon UF uses to pull recurits away from FSU. "Come play for us and play in the best college football conference there is!", Not like all SEC schools don't use that one.

wayne
wayne

auburn and georgia are permanent rivals if missouri is in the west missouri auburn or georgia texas a&m auburn or georgia

Jamie Thornton
Jamie Thornton

I agree. I think the best solution is going to 9 conference games and 2 crossrival schools. THis keeps Bama happy as they would play Auburn and UT each season.

Glenn
Glenn

I will only support Missouri as a member of the SEC if they are in the western division . The whole state of Missouri is west of the Mississippi . I'm not big into the whole " but Missouri isn't a southern state " argument . I'm am however all about geographic sense .

ESg
ESg

If it was about geographic sense we wouldn't have a midwestern state in a southeastern conference.

Glenn
Glenn

Yeah Missouri is more centered but it does border three SEC states thus I'm cool with Mizzou as part of the SEC . That being said before we have to force things in place and play dumb on where Missouri is located we should start over . That would only be fair to Missouri as well .

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