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Kansas City Lays Guilt Trip On Missouri Regarding SEC

There figure to be a few losers should Missouri move to the SEC and it appears that the city of Kansas City is at top of the list.  And the muckety-mucks in KC aren’t afraid to use that fact in putting a guilt trip on University of Missouri leadership.

A move by Mizzou would likely pull the Big 12 basketball tournament out of Kansas City and that event is worth $14 million a year to the metro area.  Missouri and Kansas have also been playing their Border War football game in KC, which brings in additional currency.

Following pleas from the Kansas City Convention and Visitors Bureau and the Kansas City Sports Commission, yesterday mayor Sly James sent an open letter to MU chancellor Brady Deaton asking him and his school to stay put… for the benefit of that state.

“It is imperative for that money should remain in the Show-Me State,” read the letter.  And, yes, that’s the quote.

According to The Kansas City Star, the letter closed as follows:

 

“We believe this region collectively values University of Missouri athletics — has, does and will — to a degree that won’t be replicated elsewhere.  And that staying here, in the Big 12 Conference, within your home region and among your fans and rivals is the right decision to honor your history, fulfill your present an secure your future.”

 

That sounds good.  Especially to those who believe Missouri is Midwestern, not Southern.  The only problem is, Arkansas once stretched the boundaries of the traditional Southeast as well.  That program has survived.  It was also claimed that an Eastern school like Penn State would not mesh well with the Midwestern schools of the Big Ten.  But the Nittany Lions still have as many fans today as they did when they joined that league.

Folks can use a lot of arguments against a Missouri move to the SEC.  Geography shouldn’t be one of them.  The state borders three SEC states and is no further west than Arkansas or Louisiana.  The majority of the state is no further north than Kentucky and Virginia.  And for those of you still chatting about the Civil War, Missouri was a border state just like Kentucky.

Kansas City may indeed lose money in a Missouri exit from the Big 12.  They’re free to beat that drum and guilt the MU administration if they like.  Heck, it may work.  But to suggest another region won’t “value” Missouri athletics is a bit pointless.  I doubt fans in Florida or Georgia value the athletics at Arkansas.  They don’t have to.  They compete on the field.  As long as the people of Arkansas value the athletics of Arkansas, all will be right in the Natural State.

Ditto Missouri.

 


69 comments
Andrew
Andrew

I believe personally that Missouri should join the Big Ten. It has many more natural rivalries there. It has a long historic rivalry with Nebraska and significant rivalry with Illinois. The only reason Mizzou is even looking at the SEC right now is because The Big Ten has not allowed them to join. Were the Big Ten to take an interest in Mizzou, the SEC would need to look for another member to join its ranks.

TaylorAU
TaylorAU

@bubbafrommissouri
Alabama is petty. Read the article in AL.com today. They don't want Auburn moving to the East, they think it is an advantage for us. But for us Auburn people we get to revive our traditional yearly rivivaly with Florida, Tennessee and Kentucky. We would rather be in the EAST. It was a sad day when the SEC stopped us from playing Georgia Tech every year, then we had to give up Florida and Tennessee every year. Bama will only support Missouri if they play in the East. Bama has the Mississippi's and Tennessee in their back pockets. They have always been Bama Bit#$%^.

bubbafrommissouri
bubbafrommissouri

ALABAMA Fans--is it true that Nick Saban is from West Virginia and is VERY good friends with their US Senator--who played at WVU? I was just wondering if this is (partially) why Bama might prefer WVU over MU or is truly out of concern for scheduling issues with Auburn and Tenn if MU was in the West? thanks

TaylorAU
TaylorAU

Many of you hadn't figured it out yet. But here it is. If Missouri joins the SEC they will play in the East Division that way they will play their natural border rivals Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Tennessee. Their West permanant rival will be Arkansas. That gives them a cost savings in travel and keeps Alabama and Auburn in the same division as well as keeping Alabama vs Tennessee intact. The SEC is just working out the Permanant partner with Texas A&M and South Carolina. This is the best fit for Missouri and SEC. What's being worked out is Missouri getting out of the Big12 this year or until they can get the buy out fee down from 30 something million.

Andrew
Andrew

Missouri is definitely not 'very southern' and there is nosure thing the rivalry with Kansas would continue if the Tigers joined the SEC. As a Missouri fan (haven't missed a home game in 15 years) I am very much hoping they stay in the Big 12.

buddha22
buddha22

Missouri was indeed a border state and was torn throughout the state between North and South. Things were especially nasty on the western side of the state with the abolitionists and "red legs militia" (definitely not a peaceable group) out of Kansas raiding into MO and the area under the protection of the Union forts in Leavenworth (north of KC on the Muddy Missouri River) and Ft. Scott south of KC. Missouri is very southern and the number of Civil War sites and Confederate Cemeteries (largest in Lexington, MO about 30 minutes east of KC) is an ongoing testament to that heritage.

Carol French
Carol French

I respectfully disagree about WVU being a natural fit for the SEC. I grew up in SEC territory all my life, had family and friends who went - variously - to Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Ole Miss, and LSU. Think I have some feel for SEC and its territory for a long time. Nobody I have ever known who was an SEC fan, and I mean nobody - and this is nothing against WVU - ever thought anything about West Virginia. It is not a natural territorial fit. Unlike in the case with the Arksnsas Razorbacks, whose style of football was very similar to the SEC for many years (I can remember some of us fans even remarking, "They;re practically an SEC team anyway"), and who had a big following in Memphis into SEC territory, SEC fans didn't look in that (WV's) direction and say, gee, wouldn't it be great to have them in the conference, or even at the time of expansion in the early '90's, go, we ought to be looking at adding West Virginia. Neither I nor any family/friends have ever even thought about that being an SEC base.

Red Thompson
Red Thompson

Mizzo wants to be in thee Big 10 and should be. Hope they will consider them for membership. It is time for the SEC to reconsider and bring in natural fit in bringing on the Mountaineers!!!

Carol French
Carol French

Finally, to finish about supposed attitudes of certain current ACC members ...Georgia Tech - my great uncle was a Georgia Tech man when it was in the SEC (a charter member of the SEC) and he thought it was a huge mistake for Tech to leave SEC and go independent, that that was Bobby Dodd's biggest mistake ever. The only reason Dodd got the Tech trustees to leave was because SEC had imposed conference limits on numbers of recruits and he thought going independent would give Tech a recruiting advantage over its traditional big rivals - Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, Alabama, etc. Having been a big fan of Geogia Tech as a little kid, I can say right now that Tech definitely fit and fits into SEC culturally and otherwise. Any claim to the contrary is just total BS and not based on any knowledge or history with the school. Lots of family who went to and loved Tech, Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, FSU, etc.

Carol French
Carol French

And as far as the comments regarding Virginia Tech, Miami, Georgia Tech, FSU and North Carolina State attitudes toward SEC, that would be laughable in the case of Miami, Georgia Tech and FSU for different reasons. I have lived in Florida all my life, grew up imbued with all kinds of schools in the Southeast, including Florida, Florida State, and Miami. Miami has no claims academically as regards the SEC, and Florida State very much fits culturally with the SEC, they played many an SEC team when they were independent, wanted for many years to get admitted to the SEC, when they joined ACC in early '90's many in Florida, including a huge number of FSU people I knew and know were very disappointed they did not accept to SEC, many of them actually stated they felt FSU was dodging competition at the time to opt for the ACC, for easier route to possible national title.

Carol French
Carol French

As far as West Virginia joining the ACC or SEC either one - and they did approach both at the same time, and this is nothing against the University of West Virginia, I have no ax to grind against the school or its people either one - I think they're fine, but both the ACC and the SEC turned down their interest to join. I do think that West Virginia would prefer to get into the ACC if they could, more-natural rivalries in the ACC than the SEC, but don't know that that's going to happen.

Carol French
Carol French

Correction, meant to say: Of the schools not leaving for another conference, there will be 4 AAU member schools in Big 12 ...

Carol French
Carol French

To complete the thought about SEC academics: Just as Missouri is in the AAU (American Association of Universities), so are Florida and Vanderbilt, and Texas A&M will be the next AAU school member in the SEC. Right now there are 4 AAU member schools in the so-called Big 12 - Texas, Missouri, Kansas, and Iowa State. Missouri leaves and that will be 4 in the SEC and 3 left in the Big 12. And check the US News & World Report rankings of all member schools in the SEC and the Big 12 as currently constituted in 2011. The overall rankings for SEC member schools are higher than those for the current Big 12 membership. So what's the supposed problem - artificially stated and superficially concocted - regarding the SEC's academics?

Carol French
Carol French

As far as the comments about ESPN and the KC ESPN radio station - talk about some of you drinking the Kool-Aid! Did you not hear (wake up!) that ESPN is the one giving the heavy financial backing to the Longhorn Network, that they have abdicated any pretense to journalistic integrity and neutrality on anything to do with the Big 12, they don't want anything that could possibly be seen as contributing in any way to any more instability for the Big 12, read, Missouri leaving, they bash the SEC therefore at every turn (and not so subtly, either), including saying the crap about SEC academic standards.

Tom
Tom

Mizzou is only a few miles farther than College Station (for Florida - supposedly the school with the angst about the travel) and, supposedly, it will only be for a couple of years...until the SEC goes to 16 teams (2 more teams added from the East - Mizzou moved to the West). ESPN loves to try and control things but it won't happen...they aren't the ones who have to live (or die) with the decisions - the school admins do.

Jamie Thornton
Jamie Thornton

I love ESpn and their spin on things. On their blog it says their sources say the sec presidents don't want mizzou, because of long travel. Really? wow.

Willie!T
Willie!T

Kansas & Mizzou could still play their "Boarder War" IN KC. Assuming the SEC remains at 8 league games, having an OOC annual rival is certainly doable (see Ga/Ga Tech, Fla/Fla ST, USC/Clemson).

KC could still garner the BigXII roundball tourney. KC can continue to bid on the tourney (seems to me every conference is better off letting cities compete for their tourneys & championship games). If the BigXII manages to get back to 12 teams, perhaps the geography works out well for KC too.

All-in-all, I'd say this is a pretty weak argument coming from the mayor of KC

Truman the Tiger
Truman the Tiger

trust me as a missouri student and future alumni there are SO MANY fans around campus and alumni pushing the move all i can hope for is that it happens..... MIZZ-SEC

tradeassociation
tradeassociation

The CollegeFoootballTalk version of this story had an interesting nugget. They added to what Vahe Gregorian of the Saint Louis Post-Dispatch saying this on Wednesday: that a decision might come late next week. However, in doing so, CollegeFootballTalk seems to have overstated, or drawn too much of a conclusion from, their source, which seems to be Dave Matter of the Columbia Daily Tribune. They linked to a tweet of his that stated: "Was told MU officials may not know more on Big 12/SEC until "late next week." Curators have regularly scheduled mtng next Thurs-Fri @ UMKC." Now on one hand, that is weaker than what Gregorian said. Still, it adds to and confirms what Gregorian said, and further gives a time - Thursday and Friday - and a reason, a (regularly scheduled) board of curators (I suppose a board of regents or something) meeting. Now in CollegeFootballTalk's defense, they did say "rumors have swirled", so it is probable that Matter's tweet was just what they chose to verify the existence of the rumors. (Contrast this with Blaudschun of the Boston Globe, who just threw out "WORD HAS IT THAT CLEMSON HAS ENTERED THE SEC EXPANSION MIX!" without offering any proof whatsoever only to have Clemson shoot it down a few hours later.) Now this may be Blaudschun-type wishful thinking on my part, but it is looking more and more like we are going to get a clearer picture on this a week from today. And yes, the KC mayor speaking out with his "don't mess with Texas - excuse me, midwestern - football" campaign ... maybe he's been hearing the same "something will happen next week" rumors.

Jamie Thornton
Jamie Thornton

yeah. The night the board of curators voted to look around, I was streaming the KC ESPN radio station. Good God. YOu would think Mizzou was looking at the conference of Satan. THe host were bashing the sec and the callers the same. They said why don't you just open up your doors to thugs and a lifetime of crime. I could go on, but you get the picture. I thought I had it on some left wing or right wing radio show.

Roy
Roy

Hope they stay in Big 12 or go to Big Ten. They obviously dont really want the SEC and most fans I talk to dont want them. I have been to Columbia for a football game-the SEC is isn't.

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

You are ridiculous.

If you think SEC officials have allowed their decision making process to be aired out in public then you are crazy. The information being put out there is to serve a purpose, not to give all the fans an opportunity to know what people are thinking.

And if you think that Bama has some sort of coalition behind the scenes that is working against AU then you are just the typical Aubie conspiracy theorist. In fact, you shouldn't have even said anything on this website because now the REC knows who you are. They can trace IP addresses I'm sure. They can do anything else right? Now you're going to have to drop off the grid if you want to live....

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

Saban is from West Virginia and he used to go to WVU games when he was young. He went off to play college ball at Kent St though. Saban also had a short stint as an asst coach at WVU in the 70s.

I don't know if he is friends with Sen. Joe Manchin or not, but Manchin did play at WVU.

It looks like Pinkel also went to Kent St and he played there at the same time as Saban. It also looks like they were coaches/GAs at the same time as well. I'm sure they know each other, but I don't know if they are friends.

I'm not sure what impact all this may have on it. Ultimately, the president of UA casts the vote so I don't think Saban has a lot of influence over this although some might find that hart to believe. I'm sure if Saban has some thoughts on it that he would voice that to the president and I'm sure the president would listen, but I don't think they could base the decision on personal ties in either direction. This is a long term decision and Gary Pinkel may be a friend, but he won't be the coach at Mizzou forever. Saban probably has ties to some folks who are pushing for WVU, but ultimately the decision that bests benefits the SEC has to be made.

AU Civil Engineer
AU Civil Engineer

@bubbafrommissouuri
Nick Saban was also a teammate of Mizzou Coach Gary Pinkel while the two of them played for Kent State in Ohio. I don't know if they're still friends or if Coach Saban has a personal interest in this, that may influence him more that anything. Saban is a native of West Virginia.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Not a Bama fan but I thought Saban was originally from Ohio. Coached at Michigan St. to LSU to the Miami Dolphins to Alabama. No WV ties that I know of.

buddha22
buddha22

Andrew, I dare say sir, I find it hard to believe you haven't missed a game in 15 years and don't find "Missourah" very southern. Why sir, do you even live in Missourah or were perchance born there by the grace of God?

HIhu
HIhu

I just got through reading an article by John Adams, a senior writer in Tennessee, who wrote about how SEC the Mountaineers are both competitively (in football and basketball) and culturally. There are certainly people out there who would rather have WV in the SEC than Missouri if WV had more tv sets.

Tom
Tom

I don't believe Mizzou is a Big 10-type school. I think there are some at Mizzou who would like to go to the Big 10 but most feel that we are much more of an SEC-type school. We are a "border state" but most people in Missouri tend to be "southern" in their orientation...and yes, I know what grits are and I love them!!!! I don't like iced tea so I don't drink sweet tea...no one's perfect :>) .

WVfan
WVfan

A WVU official told WVi the report about West Virginia University being rejected by the SEC and ACC is an "outright lie."

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Exactly. Take Missouri out of the equation, averaging out the US News & WR rankings, the SEC schools are #96 and the Big 12 schools are something like #108.

Rob
Rob

You hit on the one thing that bothers me with Missouri when you said that supposedly it will only be for a couple of years, until the the SEC goes to 16 teams. Well, I haven't seen any proof that they're planning on going to 16 teams, and personally, I hope they don't. If that's what's needed to make Missouri a good fit, then I'm not sure that Missouri is a good fit.

Furthermore, what happens if 2 great teams from the west are available in two years, but nothing's changed in the east? Would the SEC turn down Texas or Oklahoma if they agreed to put aside all their differences? This is more reason why I'd prefer to keep things simple by finding the 14th team from the east, so we'll have more options available in the future for the west.

Then again, if Texas and Oklahoma joined the west, that might be a 1-2 punch big enough to justify moving Alabama and Auburn to the east,, but then the east would be ridiculously strong.

Truman the Tiger
Truman the Tiger

yes they do esp. since they are the ones who have the deal with the LHN (longhorn network) they want to make mizzou out to be the bad guys when in reality they have made these problems all by themselves

Janson Roberts
Janson Roberts

Consider the source. The SEC needs to enlarge their footprint and expand tv markets. Of course finding the best fit is the key, but ottom line, to get the most V network, it has been talked about over and over that the SEC has to enlarge its footprint. I find it hard to believe that any administraotr in the SEC would complain about the additional travel to Missouri. If you look at some of the other schools that have been named in recent months as possible canidates, Missouri seems to be a great fit. Maryland? West Virginia? OU? It is really ridiculous for espn to even report this. To expand the footprint it is going to add travel. Why would the Administrators of the SEC have a problem with additional travel to Mizzou after just having added Texas A&M? The answer???? They don't have a problem with travel to Mizzou.

Tiger fan
Tiger fan

ku states that if MU leaves they aren't going to continue our rivalry. With the condition of their football program, I actually don't doubt this. To get to 6 wins for bowl eligibility they have to try and find 3 conference games they stand a chance of winning. For the near future that's highly unlikely so 3 automatic wins (they lost to North Dakota State last year) in their OOC is a must.

What convinced me they are serious about this is they had their basketball coach come out and say he couldn't see a reason to keep playing us if we leave. In beakerland, the basketball coach is the mouthpiece of the university so having him say this was ku's way of letting their alumni get used to the idea of ending the rivalry with us as they would be the scorned victim.

The only reason I could see MU/ku not going away is the fact we both get over $1M for the game at Arrowhead. With the financial state of the Big XII as it is, they might swallow their pride when they look at their balance sheet - but I doubt they're that bright.

Tom
Tom

The ESPN station in KC is KU and K-State and they're located on the Kansas side...that's all they talk about, especially during basketball season.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Ha...some Auburn people do refer to him as Nick Satan, but I digress...

George
George

As a Nebraska fan please don't suggest that missouri goes to the biG. We were so happy to get rid of them on our schedule. Horrible fans and no one who really knows them wants them around

Kirk
Kirk

Roy...wrong. As a MU alum and fan, living in KC the VAST majority of fans want MU to go to the SEC.

tradeassociation
tradeassociation

So, who do you want instead of Missouri? I have been to Morgantown, West Virginia ... the region and culture is more Appalachian/mid-Atlantic than southern. WVU isn't exactly dying to get into the SEC either. Instead, they only pursued the SEC because their own conference is dying, and even there, they applied to the ACC and the SEC at the same time. If they had their 'druthers, they'd choose the ACC over the SEC because it is a better fit for them geographically (travel costs etc.), has their traditional rivals Pitt and Virginia Tech, and the ACC would do more for their modest academic reputation. Not hating on the Mountaineers, whom I do want the SEC to eventually get (I prefer them and USF to Cincinnati and Louisville when the SEC goes to 16) but just pointing out facts.

So ... I guess you want an ACC school? You mean the same ACC schools that have spent the last 2 years vehemently denying any interest in the SEC, and often bashing SEC culture and academics in the process? Because I don't know if you've noticed, but that's precisely what Virginia Tech, Miami, Georgia Tech, FSU and North Carolina State have been doing, and yesterday Clemson added their name in the "we don't want no stinkin' SEC" hat also. You want Oklahoma or Texas? They have spent the last 2 years saying the same thing that the ACC schools have: no to your academic reputation, no to your culture, no to your recruiting practices and no in general.

So ... you want Louisville then? Cincinnati? USF? East Carolina? How about Houston? Or SMU? The anti-Missouri faction needs to come up with an alternative that the SEC can actually get, and is more desirable than Mizzou. The problem is that I believe that a lot of you believe that the SEC could get N.C. State or Virginia Tech if they tried hard enough. Well, until any of you is able to come up with actual evidence that Virginia Tech, FSU or whoever else that you are thinking wants to come to the SEC as badly as you want to have them, then quit the Missouri bashing.

NekoEcko
NekoEcko

i have to disagreed with you too, Roy.

I know that I been on many of the websites and blogs and the majority wants to live Big XII to the SEC and besides even if they did stay there, they will have to go through this again in a couple of years. They can be in a conference that the last time somebody left it was almost 60 years and they are going to get better money as well, plus the fans wants it.

GAforMU
GAforMU

I live in Central MO, and I have only come across 1 (one) person who doesn't want MU to go to the SEC. I have not attended a game in person in several years, but I would be a season ticket holder if they were in the SEC, because the brand of football would be so much better. As for rivalries MU has a rivalry with Arkansas especially in Basketball just the same as they have a rivalry with Illinois ..... they will still keep a rivalry with Kansas.

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

Roy, I have to disagree with you on that assertion. I have in-laws who are MU alums and I've been periodically following Mizzou blogs about realignment and the vast majority seem to be heavily in favor of moving to the SEC. The Board of Curators even referenced the outpouring of popular support as a driving reason for granting Deaton the authority to investigate realignment.

Andrew
Andrew

I don't...I happen to have common sense, unlike some people. You completely contradicted in yourself in saying Missouri was a border state, yet it's very southern. Missouri has just as many Union memorials as Confederate memorials...any place where Confederate soldiers either died in battle or fought generally has a Confederate memorial. Camp Douglas, near Chicago, has a Confederate Memorial..so does Alton, Illinois, yet I don't see that being a cause to label them Southern. Missouri sent over 100,000 men to fight for the Union, and at most 50,000 to fight for the Confederacy. I will give that 25% of the southern portion of the state, in the extreme southern part, could be labeled as Southern. The other 25% could be labeled as a transition zone, while the remaining 50% of the state could be labeled as Midwestern. Kansas City and St. Louis are solidly Midwestern cities. The majority of the population lives in these cities...a move to the SEC destroys any appeal to these markets.

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

I can't imagine anyone not liking sweet tea. I'm just going to have to assume that what you've had wasn't made right. You always have to be careful about the sugar to water ratio! ;)

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

I don't think they are moving to 16 real soon. I agree that the SEC hasn't given any indication they are willing to be the pioneers in this area. I think they'll do it one day though.

I would absolutely HATE to ever have Texas in this conference. Despite all the positives they bring, they are a cancer at best. I also believe that A&M and Mizzou would strongly oppose their inclusion if that ever came up for a vote. And if the other presidents are smart, they'll oppose it too.

OU would be a great addition, but I don't think they're coming without OSU. And that would be fine with me, but I don't know that the SEC is willing to take OSU.

buddha22
buddha22

I just don't see travel as a problem, period, regardless of where the potential 2 teams going to 16 are located. Lets be real, travel/access to MU/MO is as good, if not better, than Arkansas, or A&M. Besides, it's not like they will be firing up the bus from Florida. Arkansas...well, the chug-a-bug?

Tom
Tom

That seems to be the sticking point now...keeping the traditional rivalries in place in the SEC. If they go to 16 teams, they may not be able to do that...everything will change - heck, it already is!

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

Exactly. I'm losing what little respect I ever had for ESPN in all this mess.

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

Continued....810 from 6-10 is called the BORDER PATROL because the hosts,. 1 is a KU grad(Nate Bucady) the other Steven St. John is a UMKC grad and huge Mizzou fan( also a former amateur boxer). They cover all 3 schools. 10-2 is Soren Petro, Syracuse grad and I believe he is a local fella to KC. He talks all 3 but seems to rip on Mizzou a little extra. 2-5 is K-State grad Kevin Keitzman who talks all schools but likes to rip on Mizzou alot for petty things. He is joined by Danny Klinkscale who is a KU grad/homer

StevenBrew
StevenBrew

Negative, They talk all 3 schools. MIZZOU, Kansas State and KU. I listen to 610 and 810 almost everyday which includes 610 6-9 am Bobfescoe(KU grad and homer from the east coast and of course rips on MU every chance he gets and spreads propoganda) and Josh Klingler(Iowa grad and KU fan but is objective IMO). 9-11 am is Danny Parkins (Syracuse grad) from Chicago I believe. This guy is fairly new so still up in the air on him. 11-2 is Jim Rome who rairly talks midwest anything. 2-6 is Nick Wright who is another Syracuse grad who is somewhat fair .

buddha22
buddha22

Must admit, this is hilarious. Typical nubber, hates anyone that beats them!

Tierlis
Tierlis

Really? Cause most people in the Big 12 hated Nebraska. Most were glad to see them go to the overhyped overrated B1G conference.

Kirk
Kirk

Not really sure what a Nebraska fan is doing here in the first place...how do you get rid of them?

buddha22
buddha22

Kirk, you are correct. I live in the KC suburbs and amongst MU fans it runs about 80% to SEC, 20% to stay and that is mostly nostalgia driven with k-pugh. The sooner we're out of this conference, the better!

wvfan
wvfan

Actually, the primary reason the SEC would consider Missouri over WV is that there are more tv sets in Missouri. You thought you were pointing out some facts, but here are the real facts. At wemustignitethiscouch.com, a poll still available shows WVU fans voted (1) WVU to the SEC 62% , (2) WVU to the ACC 11% (13% add schools to Big East & 12% stop talking about it). The Census Bureau & the Association of American Geographers agree its a southeastern state. Furthermore, WVU participated in the Southern conference years ago - the same conference that SEC schools came out of.

You said we only pursued the SEC because our own conference was dying. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

The truth of the matter is, the SEC would want Missouri because you have more eyes on tv sets and would bring more money in. Some SEC fans want WV because we have a better football team and would geographically fit right into the eastern division of the SEC.

GCAT
GCAT

Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Missouri wants to be Big Ten team more than anything else. In recent years, they inquired about membership quite of few times. I know of at least three: This year, last year and 1995, when Big12 was forming. This move isn't about wanting to be in SEC but getting away from Texas. If there was any hope, the so called MU-to-SEC supporters will jump so fast to Big Ten bandwagon it will make your head spin. Remember SEC is what's left.

I'll bet if MU joins SEC, they will still have an eye for the possibility to jump to B1G. Since SEC has no exit fees, that should be easy. You're fooling yourself to think MU to SEC is a "100 year" move like A&M. Difference is that A&M has always wanted to be in the SEC.

Andrew
Andrew

Correction...I also meant with reference to Camp Douglas where Confederate soldiers died in prisons. Gettysburg, PA has many Confederate Memorials.

buddha22
buddha22

Don't forget Petro grew up in KC and won't admit it, but I have a good source that said he wore Lil' Jay claw pajamas until he left for Syracuse. It does come out in his praise of Bill Self and his back handed compliments of other schools, especially begrudging to MU.

@JMoney1536
@JMoney1536

Tell them Michigan and Ohio St are favoring another site and they'll hop on their tractors and flee

GeoffDawg
GeoffDawg

How many times are you planning on posting the same thing? Regarding your point, I can either believe what I've discussed with actual Mizzou alums and have read from the vast majority of Mizzou bloggers or I can believe you. Full disclosure, it's not looking too great for you right now.

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