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Thursday Morning SEC/A&M Expansion Update – The “Thanks For Dragging This Out, Baylor” Edition

Expansion is good for web traffic.  There’s zero question about that.

But expansion coverage also requires constant attention.  Not unlike a chihuahua.  And I don’t like chihuahuas.

So many thanks to the folks at Baylor for waiting til the last minute to toss a new glitch into everyone’s plans — including thousands of frustrated fans who are Suh-Ick of this story.  Cheers to the Bears.  If only I could go back in time to last Friday night and un-pull for BU’s upset of TCU.

Here’s a wrap of what was being said early — and we mean early — Thursday morning:


1.  Mississippi State president Mark Keenum explained in detail yesterday how the SEC’s powers-that-be learned of Baylor’s reversal of field on Tuesday night.

2.  In this must-read breakdown of a split Big 12, Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin loosened his bow tie and let Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe have it for his last-minute backtrack:


“We took this letter (of September 2nd) very seriously.  We asked for such a statement.  They gave it to us freely.  It says here a unanimous vote was taken and yet when we look at Beebe’s letter (from Tuesday) night it says: ‘No we didn’t really mean that,’ and I find that to be rather difficult to digest. …

We are being held hostage right now.  Essentially, we’re being told that you must stay here against your will and we think that really flies in the face of what makes us Americans, for example, and makes us free people.”


(An aside… dollars-to-doughnuts that if someone from the University of Texas had made that statement they would have substituted the word “Texans” for “Americans.”  Guaranteed.)


3.  Loftin also took aim at Baylor:


“Clearly for quite some time, one school has been specifically the one trying to both bring pressure on us politically for a while and now raising the threat of legal action.  In fact even calling members of the board of the SEC directly and the commissioner of the SEC directly and speaking to them and leaving voicemails for them.”


4.  Beebe put out a statement yesterday confirming that his league as a whole won’t take legal action against the SEC or Texas A&M, but he won’t guarantee what individual schools might do:


“If the departure of Texas A&M results in significant changes in the Big 12 membership, several institutions may be severely affected after counting on revenue streams from contracts that were approved unanimously by our members, including Texas A&M.  In some cases, members reasonably relied on such approval to embark on obligations that will cost millions of dollars.”


(That sounds pretty legit.  Except for the fact Houston, Rice, SMU and TCU could have made the same claim when Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech left them in the hot Texas dust back in 1996.)


5.  Some claim Baylor and their Beggin’ Brethren are hoping to force Oklahoma to “remain in the Big 12 and allow the conference to continue its quest to expand and survive with its strongest members.”

6.  ESPN’s Andy Katz writes that until Oklahoma agrees to stay in the Big 12, eight of the league’s nine school will not waive their right to pursue litigation against A&M and the SEC. 

7.  In case you didn’t know, BU president Kenneth Starr has always been a lightning rod.

8.  But Baylor’s got a fan in this writer from FoxSportsSouthwest.com who says — unbelievably — that Baylor “has positioned itself as that guy standing in front of the tank at Tiananmen Square.”  Uh, yeah.  That’s a fair comparison. 

(Anyone need further proof that the anti-expansion crowd can’t make their argument without wildly exaggerating?)

9.  Gary Parish of CBSSports.com says Baylor is both desperate and right at the same time.

10.  This SI.com writer says Baylor is simply delaying the inevitable in the hopes of catching a realignment ride.  (Agreed.  We said the same yesterday.)

11.  Speaking of Washington insiders like Starr, A&M alum and former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said, “A man’s got to know his limitations,” when asked about the Aggies move to the SEC.  (“Magnum Force,” sweet.)

12.  Written when it looked like Baylor would back down from its lawsuit threats, Matt Hayes’ piece from The Sporting News says mass hysteria will befall college football when A&M finally moves to the SEC.  (Dogs and cats living together…)

13.  The Oklahoman reports that Sooner officials have denied a report that six (now eight, according to ESPN) Big 12 schools are trying to force OU to stay:


“I haven’t heard anything about this ‘group of six.’”


14.  Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton — who also happens to be the chairman of the Big 12 board of directors – pretty much admitted that Mizzou’s been talking to people in other conferences.  Yep, good league you got there, Mr. Chairman.


“There’s so much discussion around the nation right now that I think there’s probably not an institution in the Big 12 that has not been in discussion with other institutions.”


15.  Orangebloods.com reports that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Missouri “have apparently retained their right to sue but have vowed they won’t take actions against the SEC.”

16.  Speaking of Texas, this writer says the Longhorn Network is to blame for the current mess.

17.  And speaking of Texas Tech, that school’s president said yesterday that “things are going to be in a holding pattern” for Big 12 schools.

18.  This writer for The Kansas City Star says he would dismiss any court case brought by Baylor and its Beggin’ Brethren:


“You boys didn’t lose any sleep when you left those other folk on the outside looking in.  So don’t try to convince me this is anything but a blatant attempt at self-preservation now that you coots are about to be on the outside looking in.  Case dismissed.  Texas A&M, do as you please.”


19.  Pat Forde of ESPN.com has this to say about Baylor slowing down the expansion train:


“Nobody cares about Baylor football, which is why Baylor must do everything it can to retain the big-six conference membership it got mostly through political pressure and traditional alliances.  When the Southwest Conference collapsed in the mid-1990s, Baylor tenaciously clung to Texas, A&M and Tech for inclusion into the Big 12 while Houston, TCU, SMU and Rice were cut loose and marginalized as football entities.  Since then the Bears have done nothing on the football field to merit keeping their place among the power elite — which is why any radical redrawing of the map could easily leave Baylor without a seat at the big-boy table.”


20.  Dennis Dodd of CBSSports.com says no one looks good in this latest Big 12 snit.

21.  Stewart Mandel of SI.com says that “no one (with the exception of Texas A&M) actually wants super-conferences.”  Uh, well, technically A&M just wants to be School #13 in the SEC.  And if the Big 12 just replaces the Aggies, all those people who don’t want super-conferences… can avoid super-conferences.  I still don’t get how trading A&M for BYU, for example, would unhinge the Big 12.  Especially when everyone in the Big 12 is telling the world it’s still strong as new rope. 

22.  So what’s up with the Big Ten’s expansion options?

23.  Tony Barnhart of CBSSports.com wonders who’ll be the SEC’s 14th school.

24.  CBS analyst Gary Danielson — very wisely, I might add — states that the SEC’s School #14 should be Florida State because of the school’s name recognition.  (Danielson understands the business of expansion.)

25.  Finally, raise your hand if you’ll sue.


And one last note…

After the events of the last 36 hours, how welcoming do you think Aggie fans will be when Baylor visits College Station on October 15th?

 


44 comments
lakesidegator
lakesidegator

I haven't taken the time to read all of the posts beforde this, so I apologize to the extent that it may be repetitious. But: this Baylor B.S. strikes me as being IDENTICAL to the complaint that moves such as A&M's, are all-about-the-money$$$. When, in fact, there can be no reason to object to the "Darwinistic" moves, to "stronger survivals," by teams that actually bring GOODS to the table. A&M does that. Baylor, by my recollection of their Hx, doesn't. So, I cannot help but view Baylor as some sort of "we-can't-do-it-ourselves, but we-like-that conference-money" blood sucker, like so/TOO MANY/ ride-free-as-long-as-you-can conceptuals that have grown to prominence since Johnson announced the Great American Society. And, wasn't he from somewhere near Baylor? I know it was Texas, but tried to forget the entire detail, other than that Kennedy thing! Have a good Night y 'all.

ken bartlett
ken bartlett

My vote: SEC East- Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt. SEC West- Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M. Some great football, men's hoops, women's hoops, baseball, softball. Many rivalries survive. 10 SEC games (7 division, 3 non-division) and 2 non-conference games.

jbmcgregor
jbmcgregor

Great theater. Great website, Mr.SEC.

southernpatriots
southernpatriots

The hypocrisy of the Baptists and secularists at Baylor continues to mount. They were not supportive of other Texas schools when they joined with out of state schools in the Big 12/10, 9, 8...3, 2, 1, O. They joined with the separatists to kill SWC. They now blame A & M for attempting to do what they themselves actually did. A book could be written about this mess, but at work is a divine and universe principle: reciprocity. What goes around, comes around, what you sow, you reap, etc.

UofA72
UofA72

Yahoosports.com has an interview (under college football -link is on the left side) with Jeff Long, Athletic Director at Arkansas. Jeff says the Big 12 contacted him about coming to the Big 12. He obviously was not interested.

The point is, what a bunch of hypocrites. R.E. the talk of suing the SEC for their assumed contact of A&M?

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

you know- I guess you dont have much business knowlege... but your "readers' are your customers and its best not to treat them like garbage

If it weren't for us readers giving your website hits you would have to get a real job and not get to blog about sports all day for a living. You may have stayed up until 2:30 (cry me a river) but I get up at 4:30 every morning to get ready for my customers and i try to be polite to them for giving me their business, unlike you who seem to think you are doing us all a huge favor when its actually the other way around

there are 100 sites to get this same information from, and they probably appreciate people reading them instead of feel like their readers "owe" them something for putting up links. You already lost 1 customer today if not more by throwing a tantrum, if you want to stay in business you better learn to act like an adult

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

ShannyDeridan...

Question... who do you think you are to tell me how to feel about criticism of a free story I sat up til 2:30am working on? There's no venom in my words, that's just a calm, straight question. Who are you? Why do I answer to you?

Have I come to your place of business and publicly criticized you, your work or your daily choices? Does anyone do that to you? If not, then you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

It's odd that people using anonymous names come to this site, toss out criticisms, get their feelings hurt if I respond... and then follow up by claiming that I am the thin-skinned one. As far as I can tell, this isn't ESPN. This is my site. I run it. I set the rules.

The comment boxes were put here in the (ridiculous) hope that people would have intelligent discussions of the topics we put forth. In many cases, that happens. But in far more cases -- and this is the case with every other site on the web, too -- the comment boxes just allow mainly anonymous people to make ugly comments about the site, about each other, about rival schools, etc.

What I want to be a "think tank" instead usually winds up being a kindergarten. I don't enjoy that. And I really don't like providing an avenue for people to be ugly to one another. Or to me.

But if I ever respond and try to drive out the unruly guy at the end of the bar, I'm heckled for that as well.

So I'm done reading these comment boxes. You guys can rip me, lie about our stories, misrepresent what we've written, insult one another or just rip rival schools -- which you yourself do 10 times under every Texas A&M post.

Be my guest. The comment boxes are yours. The endless negativity is bad for my health.

John

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

its easy to bash Baylor b/c they are such a joke

but isn't this also an Iowa State, Kansas, K State, problem too? Didn't I read there are as many as 6 Big XII teams who could potentially sue to hold up this deal?

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

"Thanks for Dragging this out"

John do I sense some sarcasm there?

I get the feeling this is going to be dragged out a lot longer than a few days, so dont go designing a new logo or giving A&M their own section on this website just yet!!

Bulldog
Bulldog

To quote a tshirt I saw the other day...It sucks to BU......

UofA72
UofA72

In 1996 when Big 12 was formed, politics in Texas pushed UT to take Baylor along. Baylor owes Texas.

Oklahoma made the statement that they would go to the Pac12 without Texas. Could this be a UT move in disguise (through Baylor) to pressure Oklahoma into staying in the Texas fold?

Bill Cosby had a routine years ago about a street football game. They had to pick this inferior player just to make up a team. In the huddle everyone but this guy was given routes to run . He asked, "What about me?" Bill Cosby said,"You go long!"

Baylor- YOU GO LONG!!!

Mike Rapp
Mike Rapp

People need a bit of a history lesson to fully understand the hypocrisy and ultimate fear in this latest move.

First, the hypocrisy. Baylor is infamous within the great state of Texas for voting against TCU (and the other "fellow" Texas Southwest Conference schools) to be invited to the BIG XII. That is why you will not find many of their "bretheren" falling in their side of this field. Baylor told TCU to suck it when TCU essentially used the same exact argument. Now, somehow, Baylor cries for unity from some of the same people they screwed over 20 years ago?

Second, the real fear is that Oklahoma (and by default Oklahoma State) and potentially Missouri or Texas Tech will now leave. That would in effect make the Big XII a non-entity, which would make any legal claims irrelevant. An entity cannot sue another entity if they cease to exist.

Hindsight is 20/20 here, but history will almost certainly write a very critical story of Dan Beebe. He had so much opportunity to stabilize his conference and he did pretty much the only thing that anyone with any common sense (or sense of history) would know is not smart. Had Beebe gone out and invited TCU, Utah, Boise and BYU, everyone would be talking about how awesome the Big XII is and how forward-thinking Beebe was to go out and get schools that have proven they belong. The Big XII would be set to stand tall as the big conference of the southwestern US. Instead, their members are cowering in the corner, throwing out diatribes like drunken idiots on COPS.

Neal Perry
Neal Perry

Baylor is a typical texas school that thinks that college football revolves around teams from Texas. What are they going to do if Oklahoma bails on their conference. The reason they didn't complain when two of their member schools went to the PAC 12 and big 10, is because those two schools were not Texas, in-state schools. If Oklahoma leaves,what is left in the conference. The longhorns and the wee folks for the most part, although, lately, that is in question. Without the Oklahoma schools, they will not have a valid confernece.

john
john

all this talk about expansion,
and not one word on the herschel walker espn special, for the record i hate UGA, but very much enjoyed what ESPN did with that.

THIS fan would love to read a little something more than expansion, and not just som hyperlink to a story about that,

viciousdawg
viciousdawg

John, thanks for the updates. And who doesn't think A&M will run the score up on Baylor if they get half a chance.

paulovol0
paulovol0

This story is approaching the absurd. It's kind of like a train wreck though, I just have to watch. Thanks for all the updates.

UofA72
UofA72

Is LSU going to the remaining Big 6?

Just kidding. I know you meant to put them in the west. This allignment is what I would wish for though.

UofA72
UofA72

Sorry. It's on the RIGHT side- not the left.

UofA72
UofA72

Since you bring up business knowledge, anyone in business knows- No income, no business.

Income for this site, and other industries such as radio and television comes from advertising, NOT readers, listeners, or viewers. Yes, Nielson ratings determine rates. A friend, who owns 3 radio stations, got a call from a listener complaining about a conservative commentator. His response was for her to change stations. One less viewer of this site won't cost them a penny.

Good luck in your future irritating endeavors.

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

you know- I guess you dont have much business knowlege... but your "readers' are your customers and its best not to treat them like garbage

If it weren't for us readers giving your website hits you would have to get a real job and not get to blog about sports all day for a living. You may have stayed up until 2:30 (cry me a river) but I get up at 4:30 every morning to get ready for my customers and i try to be polite to them for giving me their business, unlike you who seem to think you are doing us all a huge favor when its actually the other way around

there are 100 sites to get this same information from, and they probably appreciate people reading them instead of feel like their readers "owe" them something for putting up links. You already lost 1 customer today if not more by throwing a tantrum, if you want to stay in business you better learn to act like an adult

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

Question... who do you think you are to tell me how to feel about criticism of a free story I sat up til 2:30am working on? There's no venom in my words, that's just a calm, straight question. Who are you? Why do I answer to you?

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I'm an American. I feel I have a right to tell you whatever I please as guaranteed under the first amendment to the constitution. I didn't break any of your rules with my post or even say anything negative

Jesus I was trying to be supportive of you and your site with that post but jesus christ now I'm done. If you want to run your website like a nazi where your opinion is always right end of story, then by all means kick me off on go ahead. But you treat people who disagree with you like garbage

You are King of the Kindergarteners, as your opinion holds so much more merit than the rest of our b/c you are a "Blogger" that knows how to link

Sorry you stayed up past your bedtime buddy, but I didn't ask you to do that. I'm done with this site and its no wonder there are only a handful of people who comment around here... its about to be a whole lot less

have a nice life loser, websites like these are a dime a dozen and i'll make sure everyone knows the guy who runs this one is a complete joke who acts like a 4 year old

tradeassociation
tradeassociation

From what I have read this morning, Baylor is the ring leader after all. (Looks like I owe John an apology!) Also, while the other schools have merely refused to waive their right to sue, it looks like Baylor is the only one who has actually gone so far as threatening a lawsuit. (Looks like I owe John another apology!)

Now for all we know, these schools may have just gotten together and played "rock, paper, scissors" to see which school has to stick its neck out with Baylor losing. Or, Baylor might have been the school in the best position to fight this due to their being in Texas. But yeah, Baylor is definitely the school out in front here.

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

and as someone who has accepted A&M is coming to the SEC... but still doesnt really like it

GO BAYLOR & GO IOWA ST

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

Iowa State can "go long" too

Just keep running until you hit the Sunbelt Conference

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

Beebee has been a joke for a while now- the real question is how did he keep his job after almost letting the Big XII fall apart last year?

I think he is part of the problem- no real program is going to join the Big XII with him in charge. and who would want to stick around that league knowing he is in the process of destroying it

They should have fired Beebe when they lost Nebraska and CU

tradeassociation
tradeassociation

"Baylor is infamous within the great state of Texas for voting against ... the other "fellow" Texas Southwest Conference schools to be invited to the BIG XII."

So, the Big 12 was going to have 16 teams? Or was the Big 8 going to kick out Missouri, Iowa State, Kansas and Oklahoma State? Which is it? And when was that EVER on the table?

"Now, somehow, Baylor cries for unity from some of the same people they screwed over 20 years ago?"

So, it is Baylor's fault that Arkansas left, SMU got the death penalty, Houston received devastating NCAA sanctions, and the SWC went broke? Or is it Baylor's fault that the Big 8 only wanted to add 4 teams and not 8? Or is Baylor to be blamed for seeking membership in the Big 12? Or for not rejecting membership in the Big 12 because of the unfairness to SMU, TCU, Houston and Rice? Which is it?

"An entity cannot sue another entity if they cease to exist."

That is what Texas, Texas Tech, A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Nebraska, and Colorado wanted to assert last year but never got the chance to. The loyalty agreement that Beebe had these schools sign - the one that everyone apparently wishes to pretend does not exist - was specifically designed to prevent that argument from ever being raised again.

"Had Beebe gone out and invited ... everyone would be talking about how awesome the Big XII is and how forward-thinking Beebe was ..."

Beebe didn't invite those schools because Texas didn't want them. They claimed that a 10 team league with no conference championship game and a full round robin schedule was better for financial, competitive and other reasons.

"The Big XII would be set to stand tall as the big conference of the southwestern US."

That was never going to happen because the league is filled with members who never wanted to be in the Big 12 in the first place, but were thrown together because of circumstance and politics. Texas and Colorado have long wanted to be in the Pac-10, and lately Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech (who was the last to sign the loyalty agreement last year because they were furious) have come to their side. A&M has long wanted the SEC. Missouri and Nebraska have long preferred the Big 10. They just blame each other - Texas - for wanting to go somewhere else when it is what they all want anyway. Even this year: A&M is claiming that they want to go to the SEC because of the Longhorn Network (when A&M tried to join the SEC in 1990) and now Oklahoma is claiming that they are leaving because A&M is leaving (when Oklahoma tried to join the Pac-10 last year) which allows Texas to claim that they are only going to the Pac-10 because the Big 12 is unviable (when they also tried to join the Pac-10 in the 1990s, and they also claimed that the Big 12 was dead last year because Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado were trying to leave). Oh yeah ... last year Oklahoma claimed that they were just following Texas, now Texas is claiming that they are following Oklahoma, who claims to be following A&M, who claims to be driven out by Texas ... ugh. It is like herding cats.

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

agreed

Texas teams think they are so much more important than they really are

A&M included... thats why I wish they weren't coming to the SEC. I think we are gonna end up with more than we bargained for

tradeassociation
tradeassociation

"The reason they didn't complain when two of their member schools went to the PAC 12 and big 10, is because those two schools were not Texas, in-state schools."

Huh? Baylor squawked, yelled and complained plenty. They were the reason why the Pac-10 offered Colorado first: to preclude any possibility of the Texas legislature forcing them as a condition of getting A&M, Texas and Texas Tech. Perryman produced his "hundreds of millions of dollars in economic impact on Waco and the region" study last year too (although it was taken a lot more seriously then). Baylor didn't torpedo the Pac-16 deal last year, but they delayed what had been reported as a "signed, sealed and delivered" deal, and it was during the delay that A&M broke away to join the SEC. If Baylor hadn't started squawking when they did, A&M would be in the Pac-16 by now. which means that right now all these SEC fans wouldn't be bashing them for trying to keep A&M out of the SEC.

Look, I know that it is real popular to kick around Baylor right now, but let's not give them any more than they deserve. And as to why no lawsuits were threatened last year? 1. There was no loyalty agreement (meaning no legal basis). 2. There was no TV contract (no basis for economic damages). A&M and the other schools set themselves up for this by committing to the Big 12 and signing that $1.17 billion 13 year TV contract. That is the part that everyone is conveniently overlooking.

john
john

for the record john/mrsec, i apologized.
I said you were right I was out of line. I very much enjoy your site and will rethink my comments.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

john...

Just wanted to get this straight. I sit up til 2:30 in the morning finding 24 stories on expansion so you won't have to. This isn't a link farm like so many other sites, however. We read each of these stories, provide you with a summary of the stories, sometimes with a key line or quote, with the goal of letting you know whether you need/want to click the link or not.

Also, just below this story is a lengthy breakdown of conference movement over the last 60 years explaining a) that this has been going on for years and b) that the process has really accelerated since the Supreme Court's tv ruling in 1984.

But rather than coming here and not liking what we provide for free and just going away, you actually feel the need to CRITICIZE our choice of stories, the way we deliver them -- even though you're way off on that -- and you suggest we should be talking about an ESPN show on an SEC player from 30 years ago instead.

All in a comment box that we provided you with.

Just know this... someday, when I put this site to bed forever... it'll be folks like you who are the cause.

John

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

who cares- when is the last time anyone watched a Baylor vs Texas A&M game ?

Unless its an ESPN2 Friday night classic... the answer is Nobody

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

its like bad reality TV

you feel dirty for watching it but you cant turn away

The Big XII is college football's version of Jersey Shore

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

ShannyDeridan...

A Nazi? We give you the comment box. I was just asking why you feel the need to tell me how to run the site? Do I or anyone else do that to you in your line of work?

People are critical and point out errors everyday and that's fine. But when they take shots at us we believe that WE as AMERICANS -- using your logic -- have the right to respond.

Plus, the first amendment doesn't mean you can walk into your neighbor's house and call his wife fat without getting your nose busted.

Also I think anyone who's taken the time to read your posts under every story the last few days, knows who it is that acts like a 4-year-old.

Finally, we answer every email we get around here and you'll see a "thanks for reading the site," under most of the comments. We appreciate our readers. Very, very much.

We just don't appreciate the ugly ones who rip us and rip each other. We feel the first amendment -- shrug -- and our ownership of the site gives us the right to respond accordingly. To the nice... and to the ugly.

John

lmhagood
lmhagood

Well...for once I actually agree with you on something. : ) Did hell freeze over?

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

Why would they sign a multiyear contract if they were still going to be looking to go somewhere else?

Did they really think they would be able to completely disregard said contract without any penalties or legal ramificiations?

lmhagood
lmhagood

The Big 12 schools committed to keeping the conference together in July 2010....the Longhorn network and all of its particulars didn't start to come out until April 2011, and the full contract was not released until August 2011. These schools made this agreement BEFORE they had full knowledge of what exactly was going to be the extent of LHN. I won't get into a lesson on the LHN, because that's been done a million times already, but when people keep going back to this Big 12 "commitment " in July 2010, they need to realize that all the cards were NOT laid out on the table.

UofA72
UofA72

Your site is great! I always know that all news in regards to the SEC will be listed here. I have the choice of clicking a link to any reference of interest. It is a great time saver for me.

I know that if I don't like it here, I can try to find another site. I also know, there isn't one better.

Thanks for all your work and late nights.

john
john

my apologies, just exhausted of expansion talk
do love the website.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

ShannyDeridan...

A public forum? This is a business. My business. You couldn't walk into a McDonald's and shout "your food sucks, I make my burgers like this" and not get tossed out.

We give you the comment boxes. We ask people not to curse and not to post links to other sites. And when people are ugly to us or ugly to others, we feel we have the right to either a) boot 'em from the comment boxes (rarely done) or b) call 'em out.

Again, we have no problem with our readers. If people disagree without being insulting, that's fine too. (Even though I've personally never commented under someone else's work on another site and would not dream of doing so.)

But folks shouldn't cry if we respond to them in the same manner in which they respond to us and to each other.

You're sadly trying to suggest that this is a public forum, that we work for you and that we should thank those who choose to be ugly... for actually being ugly. We simply believe that if people are ugly, they deserve to be told that they're being ugly.

Again, this is a website. If people like getting all their SEC info in one spot written from an objective perspective, they'll like it and they'll use it. If they don't, they can leave.

I just don't get the negativity some people show toward us and toward one another. I don't get up in the morning and feel the need to go to someone else's place of business and criticize them, their work, or their school. And if I did, I sure wouldn't call THEM thin-skinned or a Nazi when they told me to to hit the bricks.

John

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

Plus, the first amendment doesn't mean you can walk into your neighbor's house and call his wife fat without getting your nose busted.

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by the way... This isn't your house, its a public forum. Its like going to a public park and saying all of this, not saying it in your house

If you dont want people reading your stuff dont post it on the internet. This isn't your private diary someone broke in and stole... you advertise and post this for everyone on the planet to read if they choose so. That comes with criticism and disagreement.

anyway- I'm done here you and your group of 7 loyal readers have fun. I wont be supporting you with any website hits any longer

ShannyDeridan
ShannyDeridan

Finally, we answer every email we get around here and you'll see a "thanks for reading the site," under most of the comments. We appreciate our readers. Very, very much.
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just because you type some meaningless words, doesn't make up for the fact you act like you are doing us all a favor when its us doing you and your website the favor by coming here

Nobody asked you to stay up until 2:30 last night, its part of YOUR JOB so dont blame your readers for your own decisions

tradeassociation
tradeassociation

That is 100% correct: from your point of view. From the point of view of Baylor, who is poised to fall from the Big 12 to the Sun Belt, it is in their best interests to hold you to your agreement. I don't blame A&M for wanting to leave. But I also don't blame Baylor for trying to stop you.



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