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OU Might Stay In The Big 12; How That Could Impact The SEC

I’ll be darned.  After all this there’s still a chance that the Big 12 could be saved.  All that has to happen is for Oklahoma to be treated like the king of the conference instead of Texas.  At least for a day or two.

Not even Captain Chaos could keep up with all this expansion nonsense.

A source has told The Oklahoman that OU brass will consider staying in the Big 12 – and saving that league — if Texas’ Longhorn Network is reeled in a bit and if commissioner Dan Beebe is whacked.  Well, not whacked, but they do want him fired.  You get the point.

“It’s going to take major, major reforms” for OU (and Oklahoma State) to stick around, according to the source.

That source also suggested that OU might ask for Texas to share a bit of its Longhorn Network loot with its conference partners.  Wow.

So OU’s going full-Texas with a list of its own demands.  How funny that UT is having to take orders from someone else for a change.  Kudos to Oklahoma for following Texas A&M’s lead and standing up for itself.

Speaking of A&M, the Aggies are saying they’re gone from the Big 12 no matter what.  OSU booster T. Boone Pickens tried to goad the school and Texas governor Rick Perry — an A&M alum — into sticking around, but an Aggie spokesman said: “Texas A&M has made our intentions perfectly clear.  We do not intend to be a member of the Big 12 past this season.”  Another school official said, “We are gone.”

If the Big 12 holds together, you can scratch Missouri from the list of SEC possibilities.  Where that leaves the league is anyone’s guess.

The ACC appears to be gaining strength and if the SEC had the ability to grab a school from that league it likely would have done so before playing footsie with Mizzou.

So if the Big 12 is saved, the SEC could be forced to remain a 13-school league for a while… which is a horrible scenario.  That or suddenly West Virginia could come back into play.  (We’re guessing the Mountaineers were gently rebuffed rather than out-and-out rejected by the SEC.  Never burn a bridge.)

But who knows if WVU would even be available should the SEC need it.  Representatives of the remaining football-playing members of the Big East will meet tonight to discuss the state of their crumbling conference.

It’s quite likely the SEC could offer WVU enough money to make it back out of any rebuilt Big East, but if that league puts in some sort of outrageous exit fee, who knows?

Bottom line: We don’t believe any deals are done when it comes to SEC expansion (with the exception of A&M).

For the time being, the only things we can be sure of are these five points:


1.  The ACC acted strongly and swiftly to upgrade its league and bring in more television viewers.

2.  The Pac-12 has already made more money than anyone dreamed without having adding Texas, Oklahoma and the rest.  And don’t rule this out — it’s possible OU is considering staying in the Big 12 because the Pac-12′s presidents aren’t in favor of expanding.

3.  The Big 12 is still in trouble.

4.  The Big East is in even more trouble depending on the future invasion plans of the ACC and the Big Ten.

5.  The SEC continues to play the nice guy role, owned at every turn by Baylor president Kenneth Starr.  History suggests Slive’s conference could still turn some heads with a couple of surprising, deft moves.  But as of right this instant, the SEC looks like a 13-school league that’s scared of litigation and incapable of luring in any “big name” expansion candidates other than Texas A&M.

But that could change.

 


27 comments
tradeassociation
tradeassociation

The real linchpin is Notre Dame. Until Notre Dame is in a conference, the 64 team superconference thing can't proceed. So, there is no need to go beyond 12, unless you are doing it to get into Texas (like the SEC did) or to hold onto one of your stronger football properties (like the ACC did). When ND finally decides to join a conference, the Big 10 will go to 16, and then so will the ACC, SEC and Pac-12.

(Of course, when that happens, the schools that are left out will file a massive anti-trust lawsuit, because at that point running an FBS program will become a waste of time if you're not in a major conference. The left out schools would actually be better off dropping to FCS to save money at that point.)

Black Coffee & Bourbon
Black Coffee & Bourbon

While the ACC is in the process of locking down the entire east coast the SEC compliments aTm with Mizzou? Mizzou isn't going to move the needle anywhere outside of MO. Slive's earlier statement appears to have been filled with hubris.

HoustonVol
HoustonVol

So here is my thought now that the PAC has said no to expansion for now. By basically forcing OU and TU to stay in the B12, it will now allow A&M and probably Mizzou leave for the SEC with negotiated fees. The SEC can then negotiate the new TV contracts at reset the bar that the PAC jumped last year. Then the PAC can pursue the Southwest quad again in a year or two and exceed the new TV deal set by the SEC.

sutpens100
sutpens100

John,

I know you are sick to death of having to run down every expansion rumor & post on it, but you're doing a terrific job and this is the "go to" site for we expansionists.

As an Ole Miss fan suffering through yet another Rebel implosion, it's not only good but essential to have a more interesting storyline to follow. Instead of wondering only whether Bama or LSU will beat us worse, we can speculate about the identities of those presently unknown teams which, in a year or two, will also be looking forward to their open dates with Ole Miss.
We're just glad there hasn't been any serious talk about conference contraction.

Thank you, sir, for all you do.

Martes Stewart
Martes Stewart

I think that FSU as a potential members is a good idea but that it is being argued against by Florida whom is pulling in schools like South Carolina and UGA to concur. 20 years ago when the SEC went after FSU, UF did not have the championships and stature that it does now. They felt they needed FSU in conference to stem the tide that was a surging Miami, that or get Miami themselves in conference. However all that is different now as they gain little and risk alot by allowing FSU in. Or so they seem to figure. They play this team so often however that I don't think it would affect their recruiting at all. FSU is signing #1 recruiting classes in the ACC already, they can't do much more damage.

Also the SEC should stop the nice guy stuff and make some hard runs at the OU brass, get the Hollywood stars and ACC glitz out of their eyes and remind them who they are and what their athletics are about. And hold ole Bob's hand while consoling him about having to face SEC competition yearly.

fsu
fsu

John, I know you've been persistent with your belief that the SEC should pursue FSU. Do you think feelers have been sent out to FSU and declined?

Interesting to note that FSU BOT chair Andy Haggard mentioned today that the SEC has not contacted us and he doesn't think they will...and doesn't think it's a possibility...but FSU would listen...

Is that posturing for asking for an SEC invite? Is the SEC still caught up with expanding the footprint and thus not inviting FSU? Or is it really the "nice guy" thing.

mith242
mith242

Is it possible that the PAC was interesting in Texas and Oklahoma but didn't like the Oklahoma State and Texas Tech as part of the deal? That and even if Oklahoma stays, it's hard for me to imagine the Big 12 staying together for long. You know every team is going to be worried they're still on a sinking ship and putting out feelers seeing if anyone is interested in their school. How can a conference stay together if everyone is worried that every school is looking for any excuse to jump to another conference?

MIZ_SEC
MIZ_SEC

Everyone on the Mizzou side has said all along that OU is the catalyst to full-on conference armageddon. This could be one hell of a long con by OU, but our insiders say the supposed list OU has sent the Big 12 is almost laughable in terms of the requests, and OU is gone. It will be interesting to see it all play out.

roger
roger

I think if the Big XII sticks together, the SEC will stick at 13 for now

Slive wont go after WVU, if they weren't a great fit this morning, they still aren't a great fit tonight

Big XII is still a time bomb, it may make it for another year or two but its long term future is bleak. I imagine Slive will turn his attention to OU if they dont get the invite they were hoping for from the Pac12, that he will wait on the Big XII to implode a year or two from now and then start picking up teams

SEC will stick at 13, just like we all thought 10 days ago before this godzilla sized pump fake by the sooners. Dont expect any rush to add a WVU or someone to make 14 just because. Without the Pac 12 expanding, the pressure is off Slive to make big moves right this moment. I think he'll be satisfied to take A&M and just wait it out and see what happens a year or so from now

roger
roger

dear lord please tell me you are joking OU

please just blow up the Big XII right now and stop this nonsense. If the Big XII is "saved" its only going to be for a few months and this bs will start all over again next summer

EF U OKLAHOMA U STARTED ALL THIS NONSENSE AND NOW U R GONNA JUST SAY NEVERMIND?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

safety guy
safety guy

What becomes of what is left of the not so Big East and the used to be Big 12 is that the leagues merge. Except that now texas joins Notre Dame with the same arrangement. They become independent in football and place their other sports in the league merger. The agreement states that the merger teams play Notre Dame and texas in football as non conference games to round out their schedules. texas now gets to keep all the lhn money and has a place for their other sports in a decent league.

Then if the 16 team concept of the SEC and the ACC is shown to be successful, the B1G will want to exand. Notre Dame and texas will have a little bit of leverage over the B1G as the 2 big fish out there and maybe the B1G will compromiise on the TV network issues.

safety guy
safety guy

So, OU can't escape texas to the West, but perhaps they can to the East. OU is trying to save face here . They don't want to publicly say they got rejected and are making demands that may or may not happen. The removal of Beebe is likely. texas sharing money from the lhn is not likely. So, OU (and by extension the Professor) apply to the SEC. Accepted as the 14th and 15th team. At which point Missouri jumps on board as team 16 - their knucklehead move today non-withstanding.

SEC now has either a very clear East/West alignment or a 4 - 4 team pod system that the Pac was looking at. Now SEC has increased market share and has gotten the WOW factor.

safety guy
safety guy

John,

Really like your work here over the past on this realignment issue. All your comments are well thought out and you always look to see what is behind the public statements that are made. You just don't run with taking someone's word as the complete end all. We all know that public statements are made to send messages to other people and that is what is happening in these realignment talks.

One thing that I think that people need to keep in mind. I think that you are right about the Pac not being enamored with the Oklahoma schools. The only way they would take the Oklahoma, the Professor and Mary Ann, is to also get texas. Problem with that is that texas comes with INCREDIBLE baggage. The longhorn network is a big obstacle that is tough to negotiate through and the texas EGO will not allow them to be equal partners with the like of Utah, Oregon St, or Colorado.

Josh Man
Josh Man

What do you think are the chances of the remaining 7 (counting TCU) Big East teams and the remaining 9 Big 12 teams make the first 16 team conference to get the jump on everyone else? After all the Big East and Big 12 had talked about joining assuming that UT, OU, OSu, and TT were about to be gone, but with them staying couldn't the two conferences guarantee themselves spots in any Super-Conference future by becoming one now?

SEC Fan
SEC Fan

First time poster, so no flaming, 'aight?

MrSEC freagin' rocks. Linear thought and straight forward talk. Love it. This is the reporting 2.0.

If I were gay and on facebook I would "like" this website. But I'm not, so I'm not. :)

B. Roberts
B. Roberts

John,

do you think this thing got out of control for Slive? Did the SEC overplay their hand thinking folks would line up? I still think the SEC needs to make a hard run at FSU, nice guy role be danged.

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

It's not that I was confident that this would happen, but I had begun to doubt it was the done deal that some implied. I never had the impression that the Pac 12 leaders were thrilled with the new additions. They are elitist pencil necks out there if they are anything and only Texas fits the academic bill they were looking to get. OU would have brought big money, but I don't think they could stomach the lesser reputation. OU is a fine school, but as I said the Pac 12 is elitist. And I definitely think the powers that be were really going to have to hold their nose to take OSU and TT.

The report yesterday that even though talks had been in the works Scott and company said they were no where near comfortable recommending the move. That didn't make sense at all unless there was the potential within the Pac 12 leadership that they didn't want the move. I also think the LHN is not so easily discarded in any move that can be made. If these schools don't end up in the Pac 12 after all can we safely say that Larry Scott is not the genius everyone thought he was? He's a shrewd businessman no doubt, but you can't make a move without your league presidents solidly on board.

Also, I still think Slive should be proactive right now and invite OU and OSU even though he's said he won't do it.

rmft
rmft

I can't see ND ever giving up Independence

They still have the Arrogance of Texas, even with a 20 year mediocre streak

In the end I see TX and ND both being Independent going forward. TX may stay in the Big XII for a few more years, but their greed will eventually kill that conference, and prevent them from finding a new home. they want special rules for themselves and elevated stature, and the only way to do that is to be independent

rmft
rmft

he may be able to get 16 teams in 15 mintues... but they wont be anyone to get excited over

rmft
rmft

No I think now missou will want to stay BIg XII and keep the status quo and keep waiting on that invite from the Big Ten

boolaboola
boolaboola

SEC Contraction!

Damn that's funny.

rmft
rmft

Slive doesn't want to have to pay for 2 teams to get 1 market

He ONLY wants OU and the politics out there have OU and Okie St going as a package deal

rmft
rmft

i think its the nice guy thing

If FSU wanted to come I 100% believe we'd roll out the red carpet in a heartbeat

rmft
rmft

no it was the Longhorn Network

USC & UCLA used to have a bigger portion of the profit share but last year all 12 schools went to an equal model. They weren't about to undo all that for Texas, so it actually was the LHN that screwed everything up... A G A I N

is there anyone left out there who doesn't HATE Texas yet? A month ago they didn't bother me a bit but now I want nothing more than to see them get whats coming to them

rmft
rmft

turns out OU got DENIED, so they may have to keep the Big XII together

rmft
rmft

Big East is gonna add ECU / Navy & Air Force to up their numbers

looks like Big XII will make it for a few more days- and beyond that who knows

roger
roger

it got out of control for everyone, its still out of control, and if the Big XII gets "saved" for a few more months just like it did last summer, its going to get out of control again in the near future

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