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Linkin’ And Thinkin’ About SEC Expansion – 9/22/11

It’s been another long day on the expansion front.  Many of you are as sick of this mess as we at MrSEC.com are.  There are simply too many variables to follow in a 24-hour period.  And each variable seems to impact a dozen other variables.  Trying to get a grip on how things will play out in this shuffle is like trying to figure out whether or not to move in for a first kiss.  ”She touched my hand at dinner.  But she seemed to dislike my choice of restaurants.  Then again, the bottle of Night Train with our meal seemed to please her.”

A man could go crazy trying to read the signs and hidden messages involved in both activities.

Before we begin a quick run-through of a day’s worth of our thoughts on Expansion-palooza 2011, let’s first catch you up on some of what’s being written and said by pundits from all across the country.  Without further ado, here are the reports, the rumors, and the ridiculous… enjoy:

 

Let’s start with the gang at CBSSports.com where everyone must’ve been drinking from the same coffee pot on Wednesday.

1.  Tony Barnhart says college football “is imploding before our eyes.”

2.  Ray Ratto says schools have been chasing the almighty dollar for years.

3.  Gregg Doyel wants Congress to step in and stop expansion and realignment.  (But wouldn’t that make Congress a bunch of Socialists trying to control the free market?  How ’bout we let Congress worry about creating jobs and getting rid of debt.  Let’s try to help them keep their eyes on what’s really important.)

4.  Dennis Dodd runs through all the madness of the past week and asks that someone wake him when the “realignment nightmare” is over.

5.  Over at ESPN.com, Andy Katz reports that the Big 12 board of directors will meet soon, that the league is starting to stabilize, and that Dan Beebe’s job as commissioner will be a hot topic.  (CBSSports.com says Chuck Neinas is already being kicked around as a possible replacement… which is good practice for when he spends the next 12 months being kicked around by Texas.  And before we could even post this story, news leaked that Beebe is working on a deal to resign.)

6.  Pat Forde writes that the Big 12 has been to the brink and back.  Again.

7.  Heather Dinich has a suggestion for the ACC’s divisional set-up after Pitt and Syracuse join.  (So do we: Drop the nonsensical Atlantic and Coastal Divisions and split the league along a North/South line.  That would enable fans to figure out which games matter most.  Are you paying attention, Big Ten?)

8.  UConn and West Virginia released statements on Wednesday, but neither pledged to stay in the Big East.  (Most believe UConn still wants into the ACC while WVU would be thrilled with either an ACC or SEC bid.)

9.  Meanwhile, East Carolina is applying for membership in the currently-on-life-support Big East.  (So it’s safe to say that Mike Slive never called?  Shocking. But here’s hoping the up-and-coming Pirates get the bid they seek.)

10.  Andrea Adelson lists some other potential Big East targets.

11.  Adam Rittenberg says the Big Ten anticipates no movement despite Joe Paterno talking about “speculation” that Penn State might need to move East, presumably to the ACC.  (Paterno wants an Eastern partner for PSU in the Big Ten and this was likely his way of angling for Rutgers, UConn or WVU to be included in Penn State’s current league.)

12.  Ted Miller reports that Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott says his league absolutely could have expanded, “but the deal didn’t make any sense at the end of the day for us.”  (That doesn’t mean a new deal couldn’t change the Pac-12′s mind.)

13.  Texas president Bill Powers says the Longhorns would consider re-working the money split in the Big 12… but AD DeLoss Dodds says the cash from the Longhorn Network is untouchable.  “That’s never been in play, that’s not in play,” Dodds said while stroking a bag of cash and calling it “Precious.”

14.  Matt Hayes of The Sporting News says that everything’s gone perfectly according to the SEC’s master plan.  (Let the spin begin.  We’ll have more on this below.  But we’ve been predicting that the SEC — like everyone else — would emerge and claim that things worked out just peachy for them.)

15.  According to The Kansas City Star, Missouri’s Gary Pinkel doesn’t sound like he’s fully onboard with his chancellor’s “Save the Big 12″ push:

 

“We have problems in our league and we all know what most of them are. But we don’t solve them.  We’ve lost three really good members in a year and a half and we think we’d maybe wake up and try to fix the problems so that we could have a great league.  Because until the problems are fixed this stuff’s going to be happening. In my opinion, it’s going to go on and on and on and it’s not a whole lot of fun to be part of it.”


16.  The Houston Chronicle reports that Texas’ Dodds scoffed at rumors of an OU-UT rift.  (Nevermind that whole list of demands thing turned in by the Sooners.)

17.  The Chronicle also reports that Texas A&M chancellor John Sharp says it’s all systems go for a move to the SEC:

 

“There is no doubt A&M is going to the Southeastern Conference.  In our minds, we’re already there – already working out the schedules… I’m not going to have too many comments about Baylor wanting to sue everybody, but I have never seen a situation made better by a lawsuit… We are going to the Southeastern Conference to play with the big boys.”

 

18.  Sharp also said that A&M wants to continue to play Texas and if that doesn’t happen “it will be because Texas decided not to.”  Alas, UT’s Dodds says it would be “problematic” to work around both schools’ new conference schedules.  (Yep, that’s certainly stopped Georgia-Georgia Tech, South Carolina-Clemson, and Florida-Florida State from playing.  How cowardly.)

19.  More spin: An Oklahoma source says the Sooners never really wanted to go to the Pac-12 anyway.  (Again, everyone will claim to come out of this mess a winner, but more than a few will be about as victorious as Charlie Sheen.  And for now, that includes the snubbed Sooners.)

20.  USA Today points out that the SEC’s options for a 14th school sure seem limited.

 

And now, some random thoughts and ruminations from a day spent staring at a laptop screen with a cellphone pushed against my ear:

 

1.  There are secondhand reports from the Show Me State that a move to push Missouri into the SEC has begun within the Tiger fanbase.  We’ve received a number of emails from Mizzou fans claiming that MU’s chancellor might’ve put himself in some hot water by working so hard to save the Big 12… while an opportunity to move to the Texas-less SEC was on the table.  We’re not saying that this is accurate or not, we’re just pointing out that the pro-SEC vibe seems to be growing across the Mississip.  This is what happened at Texas A&M, if you recall.  Aggie brass voted last summer to stay in the Big 12, but the more they and their fans thought about the potential of an SEC jump, the more it seemed like a smart idea.  Tiger fans may be experiencing that same moment of enlightenment right now.

2.  Now here’s a totally random thought for you.  When asked about rumors that Florida State might move to the SEC, president Eric Barron said last month that he liked the ACC and that he hadn’t spoken with anyone in the SEC.  He didn’t deny interest, however.  Then, FSU board of trustees chairman Andy Haggard said last week that his school was putting together a committee to study expansion/realignment possibilities (a claim he flip-flopped on a day later).  Then this week, while in the process of stating that he loves the ACC’s recent expansions and that he doesn’t see any possibility of his school moving to the SEC, Haggard said point blank that FSU would listen if the SEC called.  So… could it be that Florida State is interested in the SEC but the league doesn’t have the same feelings for FSU?  We’ve been told that some in the SEC offices still resent the fact that State picked the ACC over the SEC 20 years ago.  And while we’ve also been told repeatedly that there is no official policy to blackball schools located in current SEC states, you have to wonder if there is some backlash among league schools.  That said, it would be shortsighted and stubborn of Slive’s league not to chat with one of the few “national brand” programs in the South that doesn’t belong to the SEC right now, so we’re not buying this theory.  But it did cross our minds.  And since we so often say that anything is possible in the expansion/realignment game, we thought we’d share it.  So what do you think?  Is FSU angling for an SEC phone call that just won’t come?

3.  There’s been a lot of talk that the ACC didn’t do very much to help itself in terms of expansion.  Pitt and Syracuse are good schools with good tradition in football and basketball, but they’re not mega-brands like Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State or Florida.  At least that’s the thought.  But it’s been clear for years that eventually — in a super-conference world — there would be only one league on the East Coast… either the Big East or the ACC.  Just a few weeks ago one major blog predicted that the Big East would gobble up and undo the ACC.  But by grabbing two founding members of the Big East — to go along with the three Big East members the ACC nabbed earlier this decade — the ACC this week assured itself of being the ultimate survivor in its death struggle with the Big East.  Even if it’s someday raided by another league, the ACC has enough schools and big media markets to survive.  The same cannot be said for the Big East.  So the ACC’s expansion wasn’t a good one?  Please.  The ACC just guaranteed itself a future.  That’s a pretty good move in our book.

4.  When we discuss expansion, we often talk about “brand.”  The brand of a school is important.  So is its population base.  Its alumni base.  The number of television viewers that it will bring to a league, as well as academic reputation and resources.  But what’s most important to one league or school one minute might not be most important to that league or school a minute later.  Take for example the Pac-12.  That league views itself as an academic juggernaut.  Oh, sure, they’ve got Arizona State in their ranks, but UCLA and Southern Cal and Stanford and Cal and Colorado and Washington are all AAU institutions.  This week, Pac-12 presidents weren’t pleased with the idea of Texas fouling up the league’s money share plan, with the geography issues presented by an Oklahoma/Oklahoma State entry into their league, or by the potential addition of Oklahoma State and Texas Tech, two schools that might sully the league’s high-brow academic rep.  But just last year, racing to reach 12 schools, the league voted to include Utah.  No offense to that school, but it’s not exactly Yale by the Salt Lake.  Last summer, the Pac-12′s commissioner told his presidents that adding Utah and reaching 12 schools would enable him to cut a ridiculous television deal.  So Utah was voted in and Scott made good on his pledge to get more money.  A lot more money.  With that new contract in hand, the Pac-12′s presidents could afford — quite literally — to be more finicky when it came to this year’s applicants.  The point is this: After cash, branding and television markets and academics all play a role in expansion.  But the importance of each of those factors can change from situation to situation and day to day.  There are no hard and set rules for this stuff.  (Aside from making more money, of course.)

5.  As we noted above, Matt Hayes of The Sporting News reports that “multiple SEC sources” have told him that everything that’s happened so far has gone according to Slive’s grand plan.  The league wanted Texas A&M and it got Texas A&M.  If another school fell into the league’s lap, super.  If not, the SEC is aces with the idea of remaining a 13-school conference for a while:

 

“The sideshow of who would be the SEC’s 14th team, or the possibility of expanding to 16 teams with three other superconferences and the collateral damage that would follow, was simply background noise.

The SEC was never going to 16 teams. The SEC was never interested in schools within the borders of its current schools. And more important, the SEC was never interested in driving the expansion train.”

 

And…

 

“All you need to know is SEC commissioner Mike Slive was on the sidelines coaching this clown act from the beginning. The SEC wanted the state of Texas for television expansion, recruiting gains and general dominance of all things oblong.

Who cares about No.14? If it’s Missouri, and the league can gain the St. Louis and Kansas City television markets and get more involved in Midwest recruiting, so be it. If not, it will find someone else.”

 

“Cool, baby.  It’s all good.  What?  Us panic.  We knew how this would all play out.”

Question: What the heck are SEC sources going to say?  We’ve said all along that if the SEC reeled in a 14th school, it would quickly claim that it had had its eye on that school all along.  And if no one came knocking, well, then the league would leak word that it really just wanted a 13th school from the get-go (despite what numerous SEC sources told numerous other outlets — including this one — when the A&M story first broke).

But here’s hoping Slive really is sipping a boat drink by his pool right now.  Here’s hoping he does know that the SEC will land a mega-brand to go along with A&M.  Here’s hoping the college sports world really is Slive’s personal stage and that the rest of the presidents and commissioners out there are just puppets on his strings.

But as of yet, the SEC hasn’t named a mega-brand.  In July, when Slive said his league could get to 16 schools in 15 minutes, we don’t think he was talking about adding West Virginia, East Carolina and TCU to A&M.  We believe the most powerful commish in sports thought that some big name schools would knock his door off its hinges in order to gain entry into the SEC.  And if that actually happened, then it means the SEC has for some reason turned down major names like Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Florida State, Oklahoma in order to stick at 13.

Ya really think that’s what’s happened?

We like Hayes and we know he’s got some good sources inside the Southeastern Conference.  He’s one of the national writers we most enjoy reading.  But we’re not buying the spin coming out of Birmingham anymore than we are the spin coming out of Norman, Oklahoma or Austin, Texas right now.  No one knows what’s going to happen when dozens of people with large egos and big money on their brains start playing high-stakes poker.  And that includes Slive and his team of presidents.

So if the league could have grabbed A&M and Virginia Tech a month ago, the SEC would be at 14 schools right now.  Period.

Now, do we think Slive should be desperate to find School #14?  No.  Desperation isn’t good.  Desperation is the Big East and the Big 12.  Desperation is how girls wind up facing first-kiss scenarios with guys like me.

We do, however, believe the league should be motivated to bring in another big-name school.  Like right now.  Conference brass can pitch the positives of a 13-school league all they like, but the truth of the matter is this a league where fans lose sleep over how many coming-off-open-date opponents their favorite school will face.  So if Slive and crew think an unbalanced divisional format with an unbalanced schedule won’t cause many, many, many people to scream “Conspiracy!” at the top of their lungs, they’re dreaming.  Heck, it could be argued that going the 13-team route is more a sign of desperation than trying to lure a 14th school from an existing league.  (You know, like the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC have all done in the past 16 months.)

Everything’s gone according to the SEC’s plan?  Sorry.  We don’t believe that one, in part because of what our own SEC sources have told us.  But that doesn’t mean things won’t turn out well for the SEC when the music stops.  Under Slive’s leadership they usually turn out very, very well.  Even if they don’t go exactly according to his master plan.

 


39 comments
SEC stay strong
SEC stay strong

What is the SEC becoming if they are really going to go after Missouri? They are an average football team and an average basketball program. They are a team that is good every four years. If they are only worried about academics and money then they should go after Rutgers. They at least bring the New Jersey and New York markets. Missouri will be just another Kentucky football program in the SEC. Kentucky at least brings one of the top basketball programs to the SEC. If the SEC needs to wait another year or two to pickup a top program than I say wait. Missouri is not the right program for the SEC. Why is there no discussion of Miami to the SEC? I know they are having problems for now. It is just a matter of time before they become high caliber football program again. I would prefer FSU but I believe Miami would be more willing.

Atomic J
Atomic J

i've heard the B1G was waiting for the SEC to take a couple of ACC schools (Virginia Tech,Florida St maybe NC State) so they could get into the South by getting North Carolina,Virginia,Maryland & Georgia Tech,but the ACC expanded & now have a $20 million buy out, I see the ACC staying together & the Major Conferences (Pac-12,B1G) staying at 12. That would leave the Big East, Big 12 left to expand separately (& the lower conferences doing whatever)

Alan Miller
Alan Miller

I agree with the earlier posts urging patience. No ACC school can compete in the SEC in 2012 anyway. Its not worth taking Mizzou or the West F$#@ing Virginia Couch-Burners right now just for the sake of getting to 14. Let's see what happens over the next nine months and let the Hokie and 'nole fans digest that the ACC has returned to its roundball roots. We could see a double-replay of what happened in College Station, in Blacksburg and Tallahassee.

Nostradomus
Nostradomus

Now that the PAC-12 has refused OU and TX, the SEC will pick up OU, Okie State, and TX Tech to become the first super conference and seal the fate of the Big 12 and the greedy longhorns.

Keith
Keith

"Desperation is how girls wind up facing first-kiss scenarios with guys like me."

Funny stuff....

Richard in DC
Richard in DC

Why? Why are people under the impression that Va Tech can deliver the DC TV Markets? Blacksburg is 300 miles away from our Nation's capital. Their alumni don't live or work in DC or any major cities. Before joining the BigEast (1990) the Tech program went to a total of 6 bowl games ... the football team has next to no history or tradition. It was not that long ago that half of VT annual football schedule was against 1AA clubs like JMU & Richmond. I can't remember the last time VT beat an out-of-conference big-time program ... any SEC schools? No. Look at VT body of work, seriously, where does this VT deliverys the DC market or any major TV market come from? It is absurd to anyone who just googles or visits the wiki fan page.

fsujd
fsujd

Haggard may be chairman of the FSU BOT but as you saw with the reversal of the expansion committee annoucement he doesn't have the final word so I wouldn't hang my hat on his comment about listening to the SEC. Anybody is going to listen to offers presented to them but given FSU's recent actions 1) voting to increase the buyout, 2) voting for two new members and 3) no expansion committee formed, they don't appear to have any interest in the SEC. There were reasons FSU joiined the ACC in the first place and a lot of those haven't changed. From everything I've read Va Tech truly has no interest in the SEC. I really enjoy the info you present on expansion but I don't see the SEC getting anybody from the ACC. I know many think its just a matter of picking up the phone for the SEC but if it was that easy they'd already have a 14th team from the ACC.

strickinms
strickinms

Great post to a great article. Enough said. Finalize A&M first, take some time off and watch some great College football. It is truly difficult to speculate who and when a 14th member of SEC will be without securing 13th first.

barnesky
barnesky

My choices for #14 are
1) OU
2) UNC
3) Virginia Tech
4) Texas
5) FSU

OU expands the foot print and adds another huge name brand school to the conference that has a stellar football program. This would be the best case addition.
Next would be UNC that gives us the best state school in North Carolina with the most name recognition helps football a little, they would probably be able to put money into it pretty quickly if they joined a football conference and adds one of the most storied basketball programs.
Next I'd take Va Tech for the DC TV Markets and there rabid fan base.
Next I would add texas, because if you can get the biggest name brand school in one of the biggest states you get them. UT I don't like them, but I would watch them every saturday and when they came to our stadium I would be there and everyone wants to go to Austin.
The big thing about adding texas would be that it would diminish the T A&M brand a little which is why I put Va Tech over them.
Last I would take FSU we already own Florida so we don't have to have them, but if we can get them we should take them in a heartbeat.
These are the schools you expand with no others will improve the brand you already have. I'd like to see us get OU, UNC, VA Tech to go with T A&M then leave it there from now on.

Nollzzzzzz
Nollzzzzzz

I believe the SEC wants FSU, but the Noles are being held hostage by Virginia Tech. The SEC wants VT first, but VT does not want to leave the ACC and does not want to be in an ACC without FSU.

So they probably turned to FSU and said "look, we are turning down this invite, but if you start playing footsie with the SEC, we are gone - so dont even think about going anywhere".

Kevin Greene
Kevin Greene

John - You have been spot on throughout this whole thing. But another site sent up a trial balloon of adding Navy. At first I thought it crazy but then after pondering it, I think it is a great fit. We Southerners are a patriotic bunch, they play a National schedule right now with an annual game against Nortre Dame, they are a National Brand, they are a great academic institution, and are a solid football program. They are not a great football program, which quite frankly to we want another powerhouse program? And last but not least, wouldn't that help us politically?

gatormoss
gatormoss

"University of Oklahoma President David Boren has said the two in-state rivals will remain in the same league whether they decide to stay in the Big 12 or join the Pac-12."

Well if Oklahoma decides not to stay in the Big 12 or not join the Pac-12. Then Oklahoma can make their way to the SEC without Oklahoma State, and Mr. Boren statement would still be a true statement. Just saying.

bird
bird

1. V Tech
2. FSU
3. Clemson
4. G Tech
5. N.C. State

Those are my choices for #14. Someone tell Slive

JaxGator
JaxGator

Patience.....it takes time for the "big" schools to reach a point they are ready to jump conferences. Look at A&M, it took almost a year of Fan badgering and UT (being Texas) for them to make the call. Lets see what happens with the B12, lets see how "happy" FSU fans are about more home games against northen "big east" teams.....lets see if VT boosters rethink being attached to UV....the SEC can go a year or two with 13 teams, if that's what it takes to get the right 14th member (and maybe 15 and 16..).

A year ago, FSU wasn't even thinking of the SEC as an option....now that its clear that the SEC has a 14th slot available...wheels are turning...hence chatter we're hearing now (We're forming an expansion research board...no we're not....we've raised the ACC buyout!...but we worked hard to keep it lower than others wanted!.....We love the ACC!....but we would listen if anyone called....We hate Florida!....We hate home games with Duke!.....blah...blah...). I"m sure several schools are going thru this now.....takes time to see how they work it out....

Michael
Michael

Maybe it's becaue I just finished watching the Blu-ray set of Star Wars, but reading about Mr. Slive and the "master plan" makes me think of the Emporer, Yes, it's nerdy, but it makes me laugh. I wonder who is Vader in all this? ha!

Clarence
Clarence

Great read, again. Thanks Mr. SEC.

Slive's plan: patience.

Patience IS a virtue, even in the realignment chaos.

Russ
Russ

Slive and the SEC could get to 16 in 15 minutes - but would that be a smart move given the current landscape? Obviously - "No." Would FSU, Clemson, V Tech, G Tech, Maryland, WVU or NC State (to name a few) jump to the SEC in a heart beat? You betchya! But they would do so in 15 minutes or in 15 days. Right now things are fluid. Will the Big 12 survive? Will OU capitulate to Texas? Will Missouri? Or, will OU and Missouri pull an A&M and chart their own path? Now that OU has done its best to take care of OSU and drag them into the PAC 12 and/or lay out seemingly reasonable criteria for remaining in the Big 12, only to be scoffed at by Texas, will it throw up it hands and announce it is all Texas' fault and go its own way? All of these things are in play - maybe. So, the best paly for the Slive and the SEC is to see how things play out. How would it look if the SEC rushed to judgment and added WVU or even FSU only to find out OU became available? Adding teams is irreversible. Waiting keeps option in play. Just my thoughts.

Cj Hadley
Cj Hadley

maybe the SEC is waiting for A&M to settle the legal problems before it pursues a 14th team openly. I still think that FSU is the most likely candidate.

Jamie Thornton
Jamie Thornton

I just wished the SEC would make A&M official..............for Aggie fans and our sanity. After that, take the next year to work on FSU or VIrginia Tech. One of those schools has to be interested in the SEC. I understand Mizzou wants out of the BIG 12, but the fan base just doesn't fit the SEC. They're always going to have fans that want to be in the BIG. Let them go.

Lainey Cothran
Lainey Cothran

The ACC expansion with PITT and 'CUSE looks panicky. I now think the SEC team #14, after Texas A&M, will definitely be an ACC team. Y'all pick between UNC, FSU, and Clemson. Before you say "UNC would never leave the ACC," consider that it is now a Yankee basketball conference stretching from NY to Miami, and consider that two years ago, every Texan in the world would have laughed in your face if you predicted A&M leaving UT ...

rmft
rmft

#3. good call

If you want something to NEVER be fixed, get congress involved. the last thing we need is a bunch of grandstanding testimony that leads to absolutely nothing. as you said, I think we have much bigger problems at hand (not that congress is going to fix any of them)

Frank
Frank

As long as FSU ends up in the SEC, I don't care about the rest.

Mike
Mike

A WVU fan here and i really don't understand this big issue about the couch burning? Big deal. I would put that in the same category as SEC's Auburn Tigers fans standing around a big tree, at their campus, and throwing rolls of Charmin toilet paper up in that tree. Big deal! I mean come on.....What would Mr. Whipple say?

UofA72
UofA72

MIzzou instead of Tech. Geography and TV's.

rmft
rmft

no VT has some sizzle to their name, similar to FSU just not the same level

They could Also help with the DC markets, but VT is more about cultural fit and sizzle, than just grabbing a boring mediocre program with exposure to a new TV market like some of the other potential candidates out there

rmft
rmft

no Texas

I would have agreed with you a month ago, but after watching them operate, the SEC doesn't need the headache

Texas is conference cancer, anything they touch turns to ^#$%#%$

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

I'd be happy to take both of them if we find a 16th team. I've said for a while that it makes just as much sense if not more to go to 16 if you are going to bother to go to 14.

rmft
rmft

Navy to the SEC?

I hope you are joking

Look for Navy to join the Big Least along with ECU and Air Force... and even that seems like a bit of a stretch for them

TheLord
TheLord

So you want the now-untouchable ACC? $20 million exit fee and a recent expansion? Keep dreaming, pal. Frankly, I don't think any of those teams would stand to gain anything by joining the SEC, anyway.

Russ
Russ

As a fan of the SEC:
Slive = Yoda
Vader = DeLoss Dodds

:-)

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

I think OU and FSU are pretty equal in terms of what they bring.

gatortown
gatortown

I believe Mike Slive is very interested in the state of North Carolina. UNC would be a great add. UNC and FSU, Texas A&M and Missouri would armor up an already stout conference and split out well into the pod system. Pod travel costs, academic standing, massive TV loot, its all good. Fella i know once said "What must be done eventually must be done immediately". Personally, patience is a virtue, but when it is time to swing, i say swing for the fences.

Eddie
Eddie

I agree, in large part because the ACC, in the course of adding two new teams, has upped the exit fee. Now a school has to pay $20 Million, up from $12M - $14M, to exit the league. Of course, all the ACC school's presidents agree to this fee raise. Nevertheless, it looks weak in that the ACC had to make it considerably harder for a school to leave the league.

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

Yeah, I'm not sure it's that anyone think that VT dominates the DC market or anything, but I suppose the thinking is the same as believing Syracuse and Pitt give you huge markets.

I think though that, regardless of the DC market, the increased exposure all over the state of Virginia would be a big plus. VA is a lot larger than most SEC states and remains completely untapped. There's also a lot of talent in the state.

rmft
rmft

If we get those 2, we can add just about ANYONE and i'll still be happy. We could add FSU, VT and Tulane and I'd still be excited

if we get FSU & VT, its a huge success no matter who team 16 is

rmft
rmft

lol

Longhorn Network = THE DARK SIDE

AllTideUp
AllTideUp

I agree that both of these moves were made because the ACC feared losing schools, but the question is was it enough to stop further movement or just a proactive move to ensure long term viability?

StingRay
StingRay

VT beat Tennessee in the Chick fil A Bowl a few years back. Get some facts straight

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