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25 Answers And Rants On SEC Expansion

So many issues.  So many schools.  So many moving parts.

It’s nearly impossible to keep track minute by minute of what’s developing on the conference expansion/realignment front.  What happens in one part of the country can start a string of toppling dominoes from the Pacific to the Atlantic.

With so many issues yet to be resolved, we thought we’d dive in with a stream of consciousness ramble covering nearly every angle of SEC expansion.  Consider it a thesis-less tour through the miscellaneous.

Enjoy…

 

1.  This is not about now.

Please, stop sending emails saying that the SEC is super-duper strong and that the league got great TV ratings last year.  We’re aware of that.  But expansion/realignment is not about now.  It’s about 15 to 25 to 50 years down the road.  Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin said his school was making a 100-year decision in moving to the SEC.  He’s right.

We have been careening toward this moment since the Supreme Court gave conferences and schools the right to cut their own television deals back in 1984.  Now it appears we’re finally at the point of climax.  What bonds are formed in the next few months will be expected to last for years.  For there are no 32-team mega-conferences on the horizon.  At least not yet.

With all this being about the future, we need to think like business executives.  And that means considering worst-case scenarios.  The SEC may be playing great football now, but was anyone curtseying to the SEC a decade ago?  Not really.  So why will they be bowing a decade from now?  If the ACC sews up every major market on the East Coast and the Big Ten grabs every major market in the North and the Pac-Whatever claims every major market west of the Mississippi… there aren’t a whole lot of big Southern markets for the SEC to lasso.  That’s not good considering this entire process is being driven by television money.  Schools facing financial hardships — and they all are, thanks to our economy — want to lock-in major revenue streams for the future.  The more eyeballs a league can deliver to a network, the more money it will make.  The SEC is making money now because it’s got the best football going.  But if other leagues pass the SEC in terms of size and reach, eventually the networks will give those leagues more money.  (Heck, the Pac-12 makes more in network Tier I money now.)  Once other leagues start making more money and building better facilities, how long before the SEC takes a slight hit in recruiting?  Followed then by a hit in on-field performance?

Expansion/realignment has little to do with now and lots to do with tomorrow and the next day and the next day.  Don’t think like a fan.  Think like a CEO who’s trying to eyeball his competition and make sure he’s pushing the right buttons to insure long-range financial success.  That’s what Mike Slive and Larry Scott and Jim Delany and John Swofford are doing.

 

2.  This thing could drag on for weeks.

Monday — like so many days before it — was supposed to be D-Day on the expansion front.  The boards of both Texas and Oklahoma did meet and they gave their presidents the right to make new conference deals, if they so desire.  But that means little.  UT and OU still appear to be heading out of the Big 12, but they also still appear to be engaged in a high-stakes staring contest with Texas A&M.  ”First one to blink gets a lawsuit from Baylor!”

As long as the Pac-12, Texas, Oklahoma and the rest (from now on Texas Tech and Oklahoma State will get the Professor and Mary Ann treatment) are waiting for the SEC and A&M to make a move — and vice versa — we could all be waiting for a few more weeks.  It’s even possible that everyone will wait to see if the ACC brings in UConn and Rutgers next.  Once the ACC completes its work, then everyone else might begin theirs.

Or it could all come to a head by tomorrow.

Point is — No one knows when this all will end.  We at MrSEC.com would bet later rather than sooner.

 

3.  Stop ripping schools’ boards of trustees and regents.

Orangebloods.com — the Rivals site that covers Texas — acted as a PR arm for the Longhorns a few weeks back and posted a column suggesting that the trustees and regents at some schools (Texas A&M) were driving the college sports machine smack into the jaws of Hell.  The site pointed out that some of those trustees and regents were plain ol’ optometrists and dentists.  Not football men, by God.  And not academics, either.  Dentists!

Dennis Dodd of CBSSports.com surprisingly beat the same ridiculous drum last week.

But there are a couple of problems with this “don’t let the dentists make the decisions” argument.  (And we’re not even talking about the fact that Dodd is a rabid anti-dentite.)  First, does anyone recall Big 12 trustees and regents getting blasted last year when they held their conference together?  Didn’t think so.  What about when Penn State joined the Big Ten?  Or when Arkansas and South Carolina joined the SEC?

Clearly, Orangebloods and Dodd don’t have a problem with the people making the decisions… unless they disagree with their decisions.  Which means the “dentist” argument is a false one to begin with.  If these same infidels were voting to protect the status quo, they’d be hailed as wise men.  So how’s ’bout those folks who don’t like change just say they don’t like change?  Rather than attacking the qualifications of the people pushing for change.

The more obvious second problem is this — These same dentists and optometrists also have a hand in electing our nation’s president.  If these optometrists and dentists are qualified to help choose who runs our country, well, they’re probably qualified enough to decide whether or not Texas A&M belongs in the Big 12.

 

4.  Speaking of politicians…

Did you see where Baylor president Kenneth Starr traveled to last week?  He was on Capitol Hill lobbying politicians to help hold the Big 12 together.  According to Politico.com he met personally with Representatives Virginia Foxx (R-NC), Jack Kingston (R-GA), and Kevin Yoder (R-KS).  Sure.  Makes sense.  Because Republicans have always been for free enterprise.  If the market dictates something, so be it.  And that’s exactly why the government should refuse to interfere with a school’s right to realign… no, wait, what?  Starr was asking his Republican pals to get involved?  He wants the government to interfere in the marketplace?

Why that’s as low as a school leaving four partner institutions for dead and then threatening a lawsuit when that very same shoe is brought back and placed upon its own foot.  Oh, yeah.  Baylor and Starr did that, too, didn’t they?

Wow, this guy really is a piece of… work.

Amazingly, one lobbyist familiar with Starr’s pitch said that he was “really trying to convey that you have to have the student athletes’ interests at heart first before chasing after the biggest contractual agreements” with television networks.  Oh.  Lookin’ out for the athletes.  That’s big at BU.  Take for instance when they pulled out of an all-Texas league and bellied up to the old Big 8, choosing to make their athletes travel to Boulder, Colorado and Ames, Iowa… all for television network contracts.

BU?  More like BS.

 

5.  Expansion will make the SEC more money.

Forget what you’ve heard from a few network and ex-network executives.  Slive and company aren’t running a charity.  They’re not going to take in Texas A&M or any other school if there’s not something in it for them.  That something could include increased exposure, new recruiting ground and/or a boost to the league’s academic reputation.  But it most definitely would include more money.

We recently spoke to a VP at one of the nation’s largest media rights companies and his point blank take was: “The SEC isn’t going to make a move that will cost itself money.”  Keep that in mind when you’re thinking about who the SEC might add to its roster.  Texas A&M, Florida State, North Carolina?  Or West Virginia, TCU or East Carolina?  Bigger names, bigger populations, bigger alumni chapters and bigger TV markets equal bigger dollars.  Fans of smaller name, smaller market schools might not like that fact, but it is a fact.

 

6.  Duh.  That money will come from increased television revenue.

SEC presidents know exactly what dollar mark they need to hit to cover the cost of a new school being added to their league.  They also know that if massive realignment comes all at once, everyone will be renegotiating their current deals all at once, too.  That should bode well for the SEC because right now — and here we can talk about the now — the league is stronger than any other.  As long as the SEC brings in two or more name brands with big TV pull, the SEC should make more cash.  (They’ve already landed one such school in Texas A&M.)

And don’t forget, NBC is now looking to become a bigger player in the college sports scene, just as Fox has done.  Fox has its own network of regional channels.  NBC has the same through it’s merger with Comcast which was approved earlier this year.  If current SEC partner ESPN balks at forking over more dough to the SEC and fails to make a good-faith offer, Slive could conceivably — depending on his contract with CBS — take the SEC’s inventory to NBC to see what that network might offer for it.

One way or another, the SEC is likely to find more money from the networks as long as it picks the right schools to marry.

 

7.  What about an SEC Network?

When Slive signed the SEC’s deal with ESPN in 2008, the view was that ESPN would be the SEC’s network.  And it’s worked beautifully so far.  But ESPN continues to pay out big money for the rights to carry rival league’s games, as well.  The more Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC games appear on ESPN, the less that net looks like the SEC’s network.

It’s believed that at the time, the SEC agreed not to start its own channel.  But what if the makeup of the league changes.  If the SEC adds two schools, goes to 14 and stops there, it would have between 14 and 28 new football games worth of football inventory per year (the two new schools would keep one pay-per-view game per year like all the other league teams).  During basketball season, that’s dozens more games of live inventory.  ESPN and CBS could keep their current deals in place with the league, and the SEC could still pull an additional two games per week during football season to show on its own channel.

The revenue from such a channel would have to be larger than the Tier 3 money SEC schools make now by cutting their own media rights deals, but the sky now appears to be the limit when it comes to these league-owned networks.  The Big Ten is now a major money-maker.  The Pac-12 plans to launch six different regional networks all focusing on the two Pac-12 schools in each particular region (Oregon, Washington, Northern California, etc).

Just to reiterate, we haven’t seen the SEC’s contracts with ESPN or CBS.  So we’re talking about hypotheticals here.  But the SEC wouldn’t be acting if it didn’t think it could make more money.  The launch of an SEC Network could possibly be one way of making that added cash.

 

8.  Cable distribution is a very steady revenue stream.

If the SEC did launch a network, it would find that cable distribution revenue is much more stable than ad-sales-based revenue via the networks.  The more households the SEC could reach, the more money it would make.  To heck with on-field performance or game-by-game ratings.  Subscribers would pay a monthly fee to their cable operators — again, think of a potential partnership with NBC/Comcast — and a piece of that would go straight into the SEC’s coffers.

We’re talking about ifs here, but if the SEC has a mind to join other leagues in the conference-owned channel game, the more eyeballs the better.  That’s why Texas A&M is so valuable.  There are approximately eight million cable households in the Lone Star State.  Awesome.  Unfortunately, that’s why a school like West Virginia — located in a state with a total population of less than two million people — probably wouldn’t be as attractive to the SEC.  About 90% of the people in West Virginia are cable-ready.  That’s a huge number and it can be traced back to the state’s mountainous terrain.  But 90% of 1.8 million is nowhere near the eight million cable households in Texas.

See how little these decisions have to do with volleyball teams and driving distances?

 

9.  Slive’s ego could play a role in the SEC’s moves.

That’s what one executive from a national media agency told us recently.  ”Larry Scott is now the guy that everyone’s talking about.  Mike Slive is no longer the flavor of the month.  He’ll be looking to do something that puts him back on the front page.”

The size of Slive’s ego is up for debate, but it’s clear that this is legacy-building time for the SEC’s commish.  Three years ago, it looked as though he would be remembered for his CBS/ESPN deals.  Things change quickly.  Those deals still have built-in escalators and they provide long-term stability to the league and its schools, but they also set the bar for other leagues to jump over.  Some already have.  Time to write a new legacy.  Slive knows that.

 

10.  Now that other leagues are making major moves, it’s possible the SEC is about to get down to serious business.

Matt Hayes of The Sporting News wrote Sunday that a “high-ranking SEC official” told him that “every option is on the table now.”  Presumably, that means that the SEC is willing to nix its “we’re not going to raid a stable conference” stance.  If so… ’bout time.  The Big Ten raided the Big 12 last year.  So did the Pac-12.  In fact, the Pac-12 tried to abscond with six Big 12 schools last summer.  The ACC has now twice raided the Big East for a grand total of five schools and counting.  Why the SEC has been the lone league to try and take the high road we have no idea.

Repeatedly, we’ve stated that realignment and expansion are about business and revenue and footprints and brand names and television households, etc.  Well, business can get pretty ruthless at times.  If the SEC sees a school that it wants, there’s no reason it can’t make a pitch.  And if the fear was of legal hang-ups — like the threatened lawsuit by that nitwit running Baylor — then clearly the SEC was the only league with such a fear.  Potential lawsuits didn’t stop the Pac-12 or Big Ten last summer.  Potential lawsuits didn’t stop the ACC this time around, either.  And the ACC was actually sued by the Big East back in 2003 for snatching Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech.  The $5 million settlement in that case clearly didn’t serve as much of a deterrent to raiding again.

 

11.  Slive needs a home run.

Fair or not, the view from afar has been of an SEC in decline when it comes to television rights fees.  Slive would no doubt point out that the SEC’s revenue is comparable to the Big Ten and Pac-12 when each schools’ self-owned Tier 3 rights are figured in, but that doesn’t fit in a headline or on a ticker crawl.  So no one would pay attention.

If the SEC winds up grabbing a fallback candidate or two while other leagues are tying up major media markets (ACC) or bringing in coveted brand names (Pac-12), the perception will grow that despite its football prowess, the SEC is being caught and passed by other conferences.

 

12.  If the SEC winds up with West Virginia, you’ll know it had to go the fallback route.  

West Virginia has approached the ACC and the SEC.  The ACC has apparently chosen four schools over WVU: Pitt, Syracuse, UConn and Rutgers.  The Big Ten was rumored to be looking East and South toward Maryland, UConn, Rutgers and Georgia Tech last year.  Never were the Mountaineers mentioned.

We’ve already explained why — small state, so-so academic reputation, small television markets.

If the ACC took four teams from the Big East and chose not to pursue West Virginia, how could the SEC go for the Mountaineers without looking like an inferior league to the ACC?

Now, if the SEC raids the ACC and makes off with team or three, then you’ll know that the SEC is indeed as big and bad as so many fans claim on messageboards and talk radio shows.  If the SEC grabs coveted, big name schools, you’ll know that Slive was right all along about getting to 16 schools in 15 minutes.  You’ll know that the SEC is indeed a very attractive destination.

 

13.  There never was a “gentleman’s agreement.”

When SEC expansion became a hot topic last summer, there was never talk of a so-called gentleman’s agreement not to pursue schools located within the boundaries of current SEC states.  But this summer, the internet percolated with rumors that Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Louisville would not be SEC expansion candidates due to a special league-wide deal.

In Hayes’ piece for The Sporting News, he wrote Sunday that: “The SEC’s gentleman’s agreement of not adding teams to states where current SEC teams reside is likely no longer.”

At this site, we’ve said repeatedly that two SEC sources have told us that there never was a gentleman’s agreement in the first place.  In addition, we’ve pointed out that that Slive seems to be too shrewd a businessman to limit his own options.  Also, Florida didn’t stand in the way when the SEC pursued Florida State two decades ago.  And if the presidents of the SEC’s schools see that adding a school can better protect their institution’s long-term fiscal health, they’re not going to worry about how much such a move might hurt their football recruiting.

So when we’re talking about Slive hitting a home run, yes, we mean possibly going right after Florida State — the biggest football jewel in the ACC’s crown.

 

14.  Missouri and West Virginia appear to be the leaders for Slot #14.

Last summer, we examined both West Virginia and Missouri as potential SEC expansion partners.  From a business perspective we labelled WVU as the longest of long shots.  We touted Missouri, however, as being a better choice than some might think.  We were pretty much laughed out of the South over that one.

Now?  Well, things have changed.  Texas and Oklahoma weren’t interested in the SEC and Mizzou looks to be the next best choice from the Big 12.

 

15.  WVU’s academic reputation won’t impress SEC presidents.

After pointing out today that West Virginia ranks just 164th in the latest US News and World Report rankings, we’ve been bombarded with emails and comments stating that WVU has actually jumped into the Top 100.  What the senders and posters of this fact didn’t realize was that WVU’s Top 100 status is in regards to public schools only.  In reality, WVU is indeed #164 and it would be the lowest-ranked SEC school upon entry.

SEC presidents are sensitive to claims that their league is a win-at-all-cost, jock-first diploma-mill society.  And these men are academicians in the strictest sense of the word.  Jocks aren’t making these expansion decisions, pointy heads are.  If they have to choose between bringing in a school with strong athletics and strong academics and a school with strong athletics and so-so academics, they’re going with the school that helps the SEC’s reputation on both fronts.

Several Mountaineer fans have pointed out to us just how many Rhodes Scholars WVU has produced.  And how strong some of the school’s individual programs are.  All that’s surely true.  West Virginia University is not some community college.  It’s a major university with a good deal of funding.  But it doesn’t have the clout — for example — of a Texas A&M which is in the AAU and is ranked as one of the top 60 universities in the nation.

 

16.  And academics do, too, matter.

Money is driving the expansion train.  No question.  No debate.  We’ve been screaming that from our rooftop for more than a year.

But there are other factors at play that help decide in which direction a league might go to make more money: overall athletic success, athletic budget, facility size, campus culture, location, population base, television market size and, yes, academics.  Some leagues worry more about academics than others.  The Pac-12, ACC and Big Ten are usually quite snooty.  The SEC and Big 12 aren’t.  And the Big East features a lot of commuter schools.

Think about it — you rarely see schools move from tip-top academic leagues to so-so academic leagues.  Not saying it can’t happen, but presidents and trustees would need a lot of big green reasons to make that kind of move.

Also, it’s important to keep in mind that athletics are the front porch to a university, but they aren’t the university itself.  Example: Only a handful of schools top $100 million in terms of athletic spending.  But on average, Big Ten schools receive and spend more than $500 million in academic research funding.  (For more on academics, check here and here.)

As for the SEC and academics, this spring, the league’s football coaches argued that oversigning helped them recruit and helped them win.  But the league’s presidents put a cap on signing classes anyway.  They blew off their coaches’ wishes proving that the league’s presidents are quite tired of being called a jock-first conference.  If those presidents can bring in a school that raises the league’s academic profile… they’ll do it.  If such action makes them money, of course.

 

17.  I want you to want me, Mizzou.

Missouri makes a lot of sense for the SEC.  It borders three SEC states.  It’s home to big TV markets in Kansas City and St. Louis.  It has a population of six million people (with lots of cable households).  It’s an AAU school that would rank in the top half of the SEC in terms of US News and World Reports’ rankings.

Too bad then that Missouri administrators would prefer an invitation from the more Midwestern and more academically prestigious Big Ten.  That league left Mizzou at the altar last summer, but the Tigers apparently aren’t over their unrequited love for Delany’s Legends and Leaders.  Depending on who you ask, Missouri might be ticketed for the Big Ten (eventually), the SEC, or a Big East-Big 12 combo conference that would feature the leftovers of those two leagues.

One thing is clear, Missouri isn’t as dead-set, all-in for the SEC as Texas A&M, Arkansas and South Carolina were when they climbed aboard.  If you were an SEC president how would you feel about that?  Would you want to marry someone who still had eyes for another?

We don’t know what MU chancellor Brady Deaton is telling Slive behind closed doors, but it’s clear the gung-ho spirit of A&M’s “SEC-cede” movement does not exist in Columbia.

 

18.  Please, no more with the “But what about the kids?” talk.

Okay, raise your hand if you’re tired of hearing talking heads and columnists trot this one out: “But what about the student-athletes?”  And that’s usually followed by, “How ’bout the women’s track team that will have to fly from Bermuda to Vancouver?”

Ugh.

You know how all these secondary, money-losing sports are paid for?  Through television dollars generated by football and basketball (mainly football).  So the argument could easily be made that when leagues expand and realign, they are thinking of the student-athletes.  With more money coming in, those sports will be more stable and those athletes will enjoy better facilities.

As for travel, since 1978 the Pac-10 — now the Pac-12 — has stretched from Tucson, Arizona to Seattle, Washington.  That’s 1,500 miles.  That’s about 100 miles south of Canada to about 70 miles north of Mexico.  And since 1991, Boston College and Miami have been conferencemates in the Big East and then in the ACC.  That’s also 1,500 miles of travel.  (For comparison, it’s about 1,000 miles from College Station, Texas to Columbia, South Carolina).  Bottom line: Athletes have been traveling great distances for 30 years.  Now they can afford to travel in a bit more style.

 

19.  So what should the SEC do now?  

If MrSEC.com were running the Southeastern Conference, we’d start working on Florida State right now.  FSU offers no new television markets and no new recruiting ground, but the Seminoles do offer one of the biggest brand names in college sports.  Think Penn State, Nebraska, Texas and Oklahoma.  Florida State is considered a big dog.  Networks would pay good money to add that kind of drawing power to their package.

If the SEC can land FSU, it should stand pat.  Texas A&M would bring an enormous new state, new television markets, eight million cable households and fertile recruiting ground.  Florida State would bring name value as good as any program in the country.  If you want to argue this one, forget it.  There is no logical argument against this combination.  From a business perspective, there’s not an administrator in the SEC who wouldn’t consider this a dream scenario.

Another dream scenario — though we consider it to be a pipedream scenario — would be adding North Carolina to Texas A&M.  UNC is a great school and it would bring in the entire state of North Carolina in terms of television markets, population base, recruiting ground, etc.  Several people around the SEC believe Carolina is Slive’s ultimate target.  If he could pull such a move off, it would qualify as just the type of home run “get” we mentioned earlier.

If we couldn’t land FSU or UNC, we’d make a strong push for Virginia Tech.  Just substitute Virginia’s TV markets, population base and recruiting ground for North Carolina’s.  A no-brainer if Slive could lure Tech away from the University of Virginia and a league the Hokies fought for 40 years to get into.

If the SEC were unable to grab any of those valuable ACC schools, then the league would probably need to turn to a combo of A&M, Missouri, Kansas and West Virginia.  That would be four new states, three new AAU schools, three solid football programs, four solid — and one legendary – basketball programs, as well as a handful of new Top 50 television markets.

That’s what we would do.  In order.  From a business perspective.

 

20.  But you said West Virginia was a bad fit from a business perspective.

And it would be.  That’s why a Mountaineer invitation would require a larger combination of schools to help make up for those areas where WVU comes up short.  Could the SEC make enough money with the A&M, Mizzou, Kansas, WVU combo we just tossed out?  That’s debatable if you’re just talking network dollars.  But if you’re talking about starting a new SEC network — and again, we don’t know that the league’s contracts would allow it — then, yes, the money would definitely be there even with WVU.

What the Mountaineers would bring would be a perfect cultural fit for the SEC.  WVU is good athletically.  To compete in the SEC the program would need to start recruiting Florida and Georgia pretty hard, but a slot in the SEC East might help with that.  And Mountaineer fans are rabid.  There’s no other way to describe them.  Like Texas A&M, WVU would be a “fit” culture-wise.

 

21.  Please don’t take offense.

We’re trying to break down what the SEC will likely do and why.  We’ve talked to numerous sources inside the SEC and with other BCS programs about our views.  Aside from Point 19, we’re not telling you what we want to happen.  We’re telling you what we think will happen.

So when we mention a school’s academic rankings, we’re not tossing out insults.  We’re stating facts.  And it’s not like Slive is reading this site right now saying, “Hmmm, I didn’t realize that state was so small.”  (He’s also not likely reading the comment boxes, so there’s little need to respond with a “But we’ve had 19 Truman scholars, you jerk!”)

 

22.  Didn’t Florida State just agree to raise the ACC’s exit fees?

FSU sure did.  The ACC raised its exit fees from about $13 million to $20 million.  The vote was unanimous.

We still wonder, however, why Florida State broke the news last week that it was forming an expansion/realignment committee.  Why do that if the ACC already had an expansion plan in the works?  What’s left to study?

It seems doubtful that a school would vote to increase its own exit penalty, but politics can force some strange moves.  For all we know FSU officials felt the only way they could buy themselves more time to study realignment was to go along with the increased exit fee plan.  As is the case with most schools we see mentioned, we still wouldn’t rule out FSU as a potential SEC partner.

 

23.  Ah, but we would rule out these schools…

Cincinnati and Louisville.  Traditionally good in basketball.  Occasionally good in football.  Both are viewed as commuter schools and both are located in major metro areas.  That doesn’t fit the SEC’s profile.  (Cincinnati’s Nipper Stadium also seats just 35,000, by the way.)

TCU.  A private school in a large metro area.  A religious affiliation.  Good in football right now, but very bad in basketball.  Sorry, but the school just doesn’t fit the SEC’s profile.  (It is a Top 100 college, however.)

East Carolina.  No one is campaigning harder than the Pirates.  But while the school does offer some pluses in terms of location and up-and-coming athletics, it doesn’t carry the clout or name value of any of the ACC’s North Carolina-based schools.  And we’re talking national name recognition, so save the “We beat NC State regularly” talk.  The school is also ranked #194 by US News and World Reports.  That won’t wow SEC presidents.

Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Miami.  We don’t see it.  None of the three would bring in extra dollars for the SEC.  And while Miami has a big name — a big, bad name — it’s a private school that plays in front of so-so crowds in a pro stadium.  That doesn’t fit the SEC profile.  But we will give you this one: Clemson and Georgia Tech — perhaps — could squeak in as part of a four-team combo a la West Virginia as we explained earlier.  It just doesn’t seem likely from a business perspective.

 

24.  We have nothing against your school, sports fans.

MrSEC.com wouldn’t care if any of the above schools landed in the SEC.  We’re not employed by the league and no one here roots for an SEC team, either.  So no one at this site is “scared” of your team coming into the SEC, as one pro-WVU reader suggested on Monday.

We also can’t be swayed.

The fact that Davey O’Brien and Sammy Baugh once played at TCU doesn’t move us.  The fact that ECU is aces in baseball — a non-revenue sport — means zip to us.  And, since West Virginia has been passed over by the ACC and Missouri has been passed over by the Big Ten, yes, they are by definition leftovers.

 

25.  Yeah, we’re getting pretty sick of this stuff, too.

We’re not going to lie to you, this expansion stuff is great for business.  But it’s also tiresome.  If you think you’re sick of hearing/reading about expansion, imagine how sick of writing/talking about it we must be.  So here’s hoping we get some closure soon.  It would be nice to focus on actual football games for a change, would it not?

But as we said way up in Point 2… this thing could drag on for a good while longer.

 

(Final note… if you notice some typos or grammatical errors, be sure to check the posting time.  We humbly ask for some slack.)

 


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Karen
Karen

Also to the above.... I must point out here, if ECU received the state revenue from taxation as did UNC, then they would be more known state wide too, but the sad reaily is that they don't...it all goes to the ACC block.....why not capitalize on that???? Don't raid them, be cordial and offer competition....I'd take the chance and watch the development...its a WIN-WIN....the academics with more money will do more...its not that they don't try and wish otherwise...the state of NC just does not throw that state dollar their way so they do all they do by self funding...pretty amazing for a state school...just imagine what they could become with a few more dollars...and the SEC brand in the State of NC.....awesome!!!!! GO PIRATES....GO ECU...Purple and GOLD!!!!

Karen
Karen

Yes, while some aspects of ECU may not WOW the SEC Presidents....ECU is the "Dark Horse" in this re-alignment race for $$$$$$...and ECU is a WIN-WIN in disguise...although the SEC just does not know it yet....they sit in the state that is the 'ultimate" SEC goal...to control that state...at not nearly the price of a UNC or STATE, yet given the chance and money, will produce the same. Need I remind you that there was also an expansion team called "University of South Carolina" who became part of the SEC who wasn't all that in the beginning either, but look at the newly hatched butterfly given all the money that suddenly poured into those programs.

Richter
Richter

This isn't rocket science, you WVU haters from the SEC need to climb off your sisters and get out of the hick towns of the south. I live and work in the DC area, which btw is a little over an hr from WV, where thousands commute to DC and NOVA. The only sellout at UMD is when WVU comes to town and the stadium is half WVU fans. Ever watch a Pitt home game, Heinz field is 30-40% full, when WVU comes it's a sell out every time! It's the largest fan base from Pittsburgh to DC. I see more WVU bars in DC than UMD bars. I work with WVU alums and they are very nice and intelligent people. Get a clue, and quite drinking the koolaid, you folks are nuts if you don't grab WVU, stop living in the past Pitt or Syracuse used to have great football programs but in the last decade they don't even come close.

odintech
odintech

I believe it would be a very long shot to pull a school from the ACC. This is a much more stable conference then Big East or Big 12. VTech has already expressed that it has no plans to leave the ACC. After pulling the school from the Big east they just up there basketball ratings. The Big East was known as the basketball powerhouse of conferences. With Pitt and Syracuse leaving that could tip the bucket towards the ACC 's favor. If the ACC picks up UConn and Rutgers then the ACC would be the big dogs in college basketball. They may have added some strength to there football program to bring them up to the 2nd or 3rd best conference. To get a school to leave the ACC it would have to be someone mostly enterested in football. Miami is about the only school I find that would fit.

Jim
Jim

This may be an insane question, but would Notre Dame fit the BIG NAME / BIG DOLLAR / BIG FAN BASE the SEC seeks?

cuTiger
cuTiger

The ACC is doing an impressive job during this "realignment war." What most people do not understand is that the ACC is an Academic and Athletic Conference, notice that Academics came first. 7 of 12 of their current members are in the top 20 in academic prestige of public universities and members of the AAU. Add Syracuse and Pitt and that goes to 9 of 14. South Carolina left the ACC for academic reasons and went independent, some schools just can't hack it academically. The ACC also has added two large markets for viewers. [and for those of you naive enough to think that NO ONE watches ACC football, take a trip to Clemson, SC on a home game weekend and your ignorance can be shown to you first hand.] Syracuse is the lifeline to the top viewing market in the country in NYC and the PA/Pittsburg market is nothing to be scoffed at. Their basketball tradition is unparalleled and syracuse only recently became irrelevant in football. In looking towards the longterm future, the ACC has indeed made strides both academically and athletically. Btw im going to shout out to my Clemson Tigers for giving FS-Who their second strait loss. Go Tigers! Go ACC!

Distressed
Distressed

The whole realignment movement is pitiful. In the end, it will destroy what makes college athletics a good thing. It's becoming NFL-Saturday, and is run by ESPN. Board of Regents fancy themselves the likes of NFL team owners rather than stewards of higher education. The Bowling Greens, ECUs and Iowa States of the world will get crushed financially, resulting in fewer academic scholarships for non-revenue sports and consequently fewer opportunities for young adults to go to college. Meanwhile, the LSUs, Texas', and Michigans of the world will up the salaries another couple million $ per year for mercenary coaches, pay the athletes a $1,000/mo "stipend", have gold-plated dorms for the star athletes and offer filet on the training tables, etc. to serve what will essentially be semi-pro athletes. ESPN/ABC can sell more air time for Viagra and beer commercials. I appreciate capitalism as much as anyone, but I no longer have even the illusion of warm and fuzzies watching college ball anymore.

Hog Fan
Hog Fan

If the SEC can't figure out a way to get into North Carolina and/or Virginia why not add GT, Clemson, and FSU? If we can't add valuable new markets to the SEC we would certainly benefit from effectively locking the ACC out of SC, GA, and FL. When you look at the fastest growing states in the country and where the most NFL-level talent comes from the SEC is already well positioned for the future just by bringing Texas A&M and the state of Texas on board (now 3 of the top 4 talent-producing states).

inabind
inabind

Behind the scences, the SEC has indeed found itself in a bind. Leak #1 - WVU rejected as the SEC can/will do better, and besides, Leak #2 Missouri is waiting in the wings. Oops, leak# 2 Missouri was slotted for team 14, but conferences stabilized and the SEC couldn't force a shotgun wedding. But that's ok, Slive publicly says 13 teams will be fine. Slive is just trying to save face (LSU chancellor Michael Martin told USA TODAY that the league will have to be balanced at 14); it’s not just a scheduling nightmare, but the teams in whichever division winds up with seven are going to complain that their road to the SEC Championship game is unfairly harder than those in the other division. The SEC is desperate to get another team (someone like UNC, Virginia Tech, Florida State - someone "good enough"), but it doesn't appear to be happening. I agree with MikeTheTiger, the SEC jumped the gun on this and thought they were more attractive than they apparently are.

kfhonline
kfhonline

If the SEC stops at 14, I would like to see Missouri as number 14 then move Auburn to the East Division (which is where they should have always been). If the SEC goes to 16 I think they should look at the following universities:

Missouri
FSU
NC State
East Carolina (I know they are not up to standards now, but they are working to get there)

But the SEC needs to be more aggressive...(unless they are more active in this effort than we all know)

MikeTheTiger
MikeTheTiger

It's looking more and more like the SEC jumped the gun on this. They thought they were more attractive than they apparently are. They under-estimated the degree to which loyalty and academic snobbery would limit their options.

Eli
Eli

SEC is now in a bind if they really want to get to 14. They already rejected WVU, Big 12 looks like it's staying together so Mizzou isn't going anywhere, and the ACC just added 2 of the central programs of the Big East. The SEC now HAS to get that home run of FSU. VTech is happy where they are, Clemson doesn't add anything, and several schools will automatically nix GTech. FSU is Slive's last chance. Of course, his other option is to continue to find technicalities for not adding TAMU just quite yet...

DaZ
DaZ

There is no way that UNC will ever leave the ACC and no way that Swofford (an alum, former football player, and former athletic director) would allow that to happen, short of the ACC falling apart. And even then the SEC would have to take Duke. And even then UNC would balk at the SEC academics. And even then the SEC would face stiff competition from the Big 10 (Delany is a UNC alum as well and a former basketball player).

I'm not saying that it wouldn't be a great situation athletically and conceptually, I'm just saying it would take a lot.

m (Ag)
m (Ag)

"If the SEC adds two schools, goes to 14 and stops there, it will have 22 new football games worth of football inventory per year (the two new schools would keep one pay-per-view game per year like all the other league teams). "

You double counted there. If LSU plays @ Arkansas the SEC only gets to televise 1 game, not 2. You need to add up home games. Two new teams with 7 home games each adds 14 TV games per year, 12 if they each keep a pay-per view game.

I'm wondering if the SEC schools can pull back those pay per view games. If they add those games to 14 new games brought into the conference by 2 new additions, that would be 26 games a year, enough for 2 games per week on an SEC Network. Now most of these games would be blowouts, so the network wouldn't be much in demand outside the SEC region. But it would be essential for providers throughout the South, and schools would likely make much more from the network than they do through pay per view. This would leave the other national packages untouched, while still allowing individual schools to sell game rebroadcasts, coaches shows, and some games from other sports.

Sour Grapes
Sour Grapes

This is all starting to have the feel of a childrens playground, some yelling pick me pick me, and other kids get picked last or not at all. And those doing the picking acting like they have a select few glass slippers to bestow. The irony of it all would be if this caused the entire BCS system to fall apart as lawsuits, state and federal legislatures got involved.

Moon
Moon

WVU has been recruiting FL for years.......half the offense if from FL........they would not only be competitive, they would get a boost.......Saturday might be an audition........we shall see

MikeTheTiger
MikeTheTiger

While I agree that the SEC isn't going to make a move unless they think it's going to make them money, that doesn't mean there isn't risk involved in any financial endeavor. The fact that they accepted A&M doesn't prove that the move is a moneymaker in and of itself. Slive might have over-estimated the ease with which he could find a suitable #14 to make the venture profitable. It's quite possible that he took a calculated gamble that might not end up paying off if he doesn't hit a home run with school #14. Yes, Texas is a huge state filled with major TV markets. That doesn't mean that A&M alone will carry the clout to get an SEC network onto cable in Texas, or even in Houston. It doesn't mean network execs will now suddenly value the SEC Tier 1 and Tier 2 deals significantly more. Maybe in and of themselves they do that for the SEC, but maybe they don't. I'm not expert on TV marketing. I just don't see any sources in this article that would prove A&M's worth to the degree the author states. He seems to be supposing things upon which he's not necessarily an expert either.

Jimmy
Jimmy

To add ... UNC and Duke are the LAST two teams in the ACC that would even consider leaving .. with Wake and UVA close behind (those there's been interest from the Big10 to UVA in the past, supposedly). The only way those two teams leave the ACC ... is if the ACC dissolves ... PERIOD .. Never going to happen -- never

Jimmy
Jimmy

East Carolina?? Never happens .. not a chance .. If the SEC chooses to reach that far north, they have much better options than ECU (VT, WVU) .. Those are the only two "northern-southern" teams that make a good cultural fit. Sure, they'd love to add a NC team but Duke, UNC, or Wake?? Fuggedaboudit .. NC State is probably a stretch

roger
roger

those numbers seem way off...

more Auburn fans in the state of Alabama than Alabama fans? Child Please, any Auburn fan will tell you thats a load of bs

roger
roger

FANTASTIC Recap of things as they stand

agree 100% about Slive's Legacy and how he has to make a splash with this next team. Slive absolutely has an ego, and that ego is gonna keep him searching for that HOME RUN

BRING ON THE NOLES!

jeffbwillis
jeffbwillis

I like a 14- team limit. Texas A & M is a great 7th SEC West team. The top two SEC East contenders would have to be Florida State and North Carolina. Both bring much to the table. I would give the edge to North Carolina. ONLY because it would bring in a lot of additional TV households. UNC is strong academically. It has decent football and a newly renovated stadium. And it has superlative basketball! If the Tar Heels were the 14th school, they would be thrown into the SEC East with Kentucky and Florida. North Carolina and Kentucky are the NCAA's two winningest basketball programs, least we forget! Florida has recently emerged as a national power. The remaining four schools in the SEC East are not slouches! Tennessee has a 25,000 seat arena. Vandy has a strong basketball tradition in an attractive city. South Carolina is an ancient rival. And Georgia would likely be a annual suitor for the sixth or 7th place in this rigorous division. In short, the SEC has plenty of football tradition. Texas A & M will bring even more. The real "coup de grace" would be the landing of a "big time basketball power" in a new state to complete the field.

Practical Pirate
Practical Pirate

East Carolina pulls a larger TV audience than several ACC teams. The point has been made that some ACC schools are attractive to the SEC, but they have entrenched behind a $20 million exit fee.

Putt
Putt

TCU, since being left out of the Big 12 has made a huge commitment to turn things around. Those youger folks probably don't realize that TCU does have a rich tradition and history. It is one of a handful of college programs that has a NC, a Heisman winner, has produced both NFL and Super Bowl MVPs, and has played in the Orange Bowl, the Rose Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, and the Cotton Bowl (numerous times). Again for those of you that don't remember the Cotton Bowl is one of the oldest and for years was one of the major 4.

TCU has spent 100s of millions of dollars on campus and athletic facilities. Those facilities, which include a 160 million dollar rennovation of 81 year old Amon G. Carter Stadium will rival anyone's in the country. It is tru that TCU is a relatively small private school. It is not true that it is run by a church/religion. TCU is loosly affilliated with the Deciples of Christ (First Christian Church) but is not governed by them.

TCU's football program is currently #3 in the most consecutive weeks ranked in the top 25 with (I believe) 43 weeks. The attendance has steadily grown to an average of over 42,000 last year. The new stadium will eventually have a capacity of 50K seats with more than that with SRO. Imagine being able to do all of that while locked out of the BCS and with home games against teams from out west that don't travel well or have big followings. Now imagine the potential of a TCU in a BCS conference and especially the SEC west. That place will be packed each week and attendance which is already better than a number of BCS schools will not be a problem. DFW is the 6th largest TV market in the country also. Who among you wouldn't think that folks who live in the area aren't going to tune in when TCU is playing SEC games. The standard mantra is that UT/A&M/TT own the DFW market because of larger alumni bases. That may be true but there are over 3 million people in DFW and only a small % of those are alumni of those schools.

That article is about potential and not the past. I would suggest that TCU would represent a whole lot of potential for the SEC if they want to make inroads in the DFW recruiting and TV markets. One more thing. TCU has a huge endowment (about twice that of LSU) and that 160 million for that stadium rennovation was raised all from private donations in about 1 year.

Think about it!

Tyler B
Tyler B

As always, the best stuff on the Internet and the only place to come for information such as this.

whillx
whillx

A big point to make here is the 12 (or 13) schools in the SEC are great fits. There is a passion of college football and all sports. The PAC-16 concept is a mess. The pod-scheme helps. However, recruiting is going to take a hit (i.e., Mack Brown's comments) to many of these schools based on fan travel. Kids will not want to play for a school if they're families can't see the game. It is not a SAPPY point. It is HUGE. It may take a few years to kick in, but let's watch recruiting in the state of Texas for instance. A&M is going to hurt Texas in recruiting. I wonder about OKlahoma too. Parents would have a better seeing their kids play if they sent them to the SEC.

That being said, I like how the SEC has what appears to be 13 solids institutions that fit each other. We could stop there and be thrilled. I personally like TCU as a good 14th team. It brings in the Dallas/FT worth area. That's a great addition. Missouri, West VA, Va Tech, NC, etc. are not.

SECFAN#1
SECFAN#1

FAST FACT ------ THE WVU Mountaineers ARE THE WINNINGEST BCS FOOTBALL PROGRAM in the history of the universe WITHOUT A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. That cannot last forever. This fact speaks volumes.

SECFAN#1
SECFAN#1

comment on # 20 ...... WVU already recruits heavily in FLA...Has for 30 years....look at our roster. More Fla. boys than PA boys....The vast majority of the roster are from SEC country anyway...Where do you think Pat White came from? SEC should be licking thier chops for the Mountaineers.

HoustonVol
HoustonVol

As of right now - If Slive has his heart on breaking into the North Carolina market, there are only two realistic options; NC State and ECU. Both schools would be a project in bringing up their athletic standards to the SEC level. ECU would also be a project academically. NC St. might be looking to get out from under UNC's shadow. Plus 4 NC schools in the ACC does not help the TV package. We have no idea what talks and deals are being cut behind closed doors. Maybe NCSt would love to move to the SEC. The ACC grab to destabilize the Big East is all about forcing Notre Dame into a conference. If Slive could help force ND into the ACC, the ACC might let NC St. move without penalty to the SEC. Both conferences win. I think the ACC would win more than the SEC, but the SEC did also add A&M to the west. So it is not a loss for the SEC. WVU will always be on the table. WVU is to the SEC what Mizzou is the the B10, the school that will always be waiting for them. One of the reasons the B10 passed on Mizzou is what new markets does Mizzou bring to the B10 that they do not already have a large following? None. The B10 adding Mizzou for market share is like the SEC adding GT or Memphis to gain TV markets.

Wey50
Wey50

I was very interested in that article as well. As an Aggie, I didn't realize our "strength" in the numbers, but if they are half way accurate, pretty good. The other schools were surprising as well, and not necessarily what I would have guessed. Very good reading, and I would guess the networks and school presidents have same (or better) data on the fan bases.

mountaineer@meer.net
mountaineer@meer.net

Here is the new, expanded SEC. (makes SEC a basketball powerhouse too): 16 teams - East and West Divisions (4 subdivisions)

WEST ---- NW=(WVU, Kentucky, Louisville, Vanderbilt) SW=(LSU,Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri)
EAST ----- ME=(Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss. State) SE=(Florida, Georgia, SC, Tenessee)

@Kelticgator
@Kelticgator

I'm glad all the Eer fans have migrated to this website to start selling their school with all the potential benefits and correcting the inaccurate perceptions of others who feel the school is not worthy. However, this is a fan website and not the home of the SEC Administrative offices. John will not be making the final call on who gets in or not. The vast majority of SEC fans do not want WVU in the conference and being comparable academically to Mississippi State does not help your cause. No fan base wants to travel to Morgantown to watch their team play nor risk hosting the rowdy and often destructive WVU fan base on their campus. That's the reality Eer fans, sooner or later you'll have to accept it. Your reputation precedes you.

Racing Hokie
Racing Hokie

Wow! VT is headed back to the Big Least, to be forever doomed to a BBall conference once again! UConn, Rutgers, Pitt, Syracuse? Puke! VT admin needs to get with the program...your alumni base will not travel to yankee land anymore...we are just begining to thaw from being stuck up there for so long! I would Hokie Pokie my tail feathers to the SEC ASAP! We travel well but the new additions -remember we use to play "use guys"- travel worse than most current ACC schools do....and that sucks when you have large empty seats thanks to a bunch of weak fans! Go to the SEC, expand the airport runway, expand the staduim, build more hotels and get ready to crank it up every weekend...hell bring WVU and FSU and TA&M....make it a true Super Conference
Go Hokies!

Matt
Matt

Let's see what the ratings are for LSU-WVU this weekend. You think they'd be higher for LSU-Missouri? No chance, even with the St. Louis/K.C. markets. WVU always pulls in much higher national ratings than would be expected based on the population of WV, which is not a great metric for tv ratings. If the SEC cares about local tv market, maybe they should add Columbia...great academics, 20 million people in the NYC tv market, rich and influential alumni. Or maybe they should think about how much draw a school has on a national level.

Johnny
Johnny

I couldn't agree more...ECU is a dark-horse in all of this. We've been kicked around and passed over long enough. With BCS money, ECU could quickly surpass ANY football team in NC!

Capt Sav-aHo
Capt Sav-aHo

Hey, light shines on a dog's ass every now and then. The ACC is not coming close to building a football conference by no means. A few basketball teams they have added, but I'm sure that breaking news will not stop the war in Afghanistan. You don't see me on here bragging about eating at a Steak n Shake after passing a Denny's, so no need to talk about a random win. Btw, calm down on the shout out, I really don't think they will see it anyways.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

MikeTheTiger...

We spoke with a senior VP at one of the largest media rights companies in the country. Also, I've worked in television for 20 years. I don't run CBS, but I qualify as more of an expert of TV sales and TV packages than anyone else around here.

John

Walter
Walter

I think the numbers are off in some specific cases, but not necessarily hugely wrong in the overall picture.

I suspect Auburn winning the MNC caused their numbers to appear inflated based on when the study was done, even if the methodology was solid it would probably be more meaningful if it was done over an extended period of time to show spikes and valleys in the numbers which would be distortions that you can't see from a single datapoint.

Having said that Nate Silver isn't a hack, he's done some really impressive statistical work in the past that has proven out in the real world, so I wouldn't dismiss it entirely out of hand just because a few datapoints are undoubtedly wrong.

I think his main point that both Alabama and Auburn have MUCH larger followings than for instance Syracuse despite the huge difference in the size of the population in their home state/cities is valid, how rabid the population is about college football is as or more important than just raw population numbers.

kfhonline
kfhonline

I agree, the SEC should consider ECU. I think they are an "up and coming" program. It might take a while but they will improve if in the SEC. Plus they bring eyeballs to the SEC.

troy martinez
troy martinez

TCU is just a little bit more stomach-able than ECU b/c they've had 2 good seasons lately, but both are HORRIBLE choices for expansion. I'd rather have Tulane or Sewanee

roger
roger

I've got $100,000 that says it can and WILL last forever

you wont see a WVU National Championship in your lifetime. That fact speaks volumes

roger
roger

yeah, they are just like South Florida, they take all the Florida recruits that can't get into to SEC schools or Florida State

Rich Rod made his name on the likes of guys like Pacman Jones and Chris Henry

roger
roger

I dont see GT ever coming back to the SEC. They have a hard enough time competing in the ACC, and they left the SEC years ago over a spat between Bobby Dodd and Bear Bryant

Clemson is a different story though, they may be interested in making a move

I'm still hoping for the NOLES

HoustonVol
HoustonVol

There is a great article out there on why long term it would be better for Notre Dame to join the ACC than the B10. Remember this is about long term planning, not what is good for the next 5 years.

roger
roger

mountaineers are so our of their element- please dont take the liberty to redistribute OUR conference to your liking

Take Louisville and go back to CUSA

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

@Kelticgator...

It's not a fan website because no one here roots for an SEC team. It's a website run by two guys with about 40 years of experience in tv, radio, newspaper and internet.

We do our best to provide solid, unbiased information.

John

Jim
Jim

there you are again

05 Sugar Bowl
05 Sugar Bowl

Actually numb nuts he made his name on names like Pat White, Steve Slaton & Owen Schmidt. Some SEC fans should remember them since they beat your conference champ in the Sugar Bowl. No team in the SEC ever recruits some bad apples do they?? Don't throw too many stones from your glass house there Roger.

Jim
Jim

Roger,

Do you have a job, is there any post that you let go without responding. You sound like your 15, that is why I asked if you have a job.

RabbleRouser
RabbleRouser

I think it's past your bedtime, Roger. Off you go, now!

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