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NCAA Doesn’t Appear Too Worried About Non-Miami Athletes Named In Probe

Of the 70+ players named in Yahoo! Sports investigation into Miami’s football program, four had some tie to the Southeastern Conference.  Within two days, all four have been cleared.

Question: Have you ever known the NCAA to clear a player of eligibility issues in two days?

Question: Isn’t it odd that all three schools (Florida, Georgia and Kansas State… where ex-Tennessee tailback Bryce Brown wound up) all put out similarly worded statements?

Take a look…


Kansas State:
“Kansas State University has been in communication with the NCAA.  Regarding Arthur Brown and Bryce Brown, the NCAA staff has informed the institution that it has no concerns about their eligibility to compete at K-State.  Kansas State University does not comment on NCAA investigations at other institutions… and will have no further comment.”

Georgia: “The University of Georgia is aware of the article mentioning Orson Charles and has been in communication with the NCAA.  There are no issues with UGA or eligibility issues with Orson Charles.  UGA will have no further comment regarding this matter.”

Florida: “We have been in communication with the NCAA and there are no eligibility issues with Andre Debose and Matt Patchan as it relates to recent reports.  Andre, Matt nor the University of Florida will have any additional comments regarding this matter.”


As noted above, eligibility issues tend to drag out when the NCAA is concerned.  Rapid clearance — especially over such serious matters as the possible receipt of illegal benefits — is unusual.  After all, there’s no way the NCAA could have already found the aforementioned players to be innocent or guilty of dealing illegally with booster Nevin Shapiro.

So our best guess as to what’s up?  This is the NCAA’s first major step toward focusing on the big picture.

NCAA president Mark Emmert and his staff have tried to streamline NCAA investigation and enforcement procedures.  Emmert and several college presidents have spoken often about the need to properly focus the NCAA’s attention on big issues, not the minutiae.

It appears that that’s what’s happening here.  With all of these players being cleared so quickly — and with all of the institutions releasing statements that appear to be riffs on a standard boilerplate — it’s as if the NCAA is saying, “We don’t have time to sweat the small stuff in this case.”

If so, that’s a good move.  While the acceptance of any illegal benefits is wrong and is worth checking into, Miami’s apparent rampant disregard for the rules is by far the biggest at play here.  (Add in the fact that the NCAA is also currently investigating Ohio State, North Carolina, Auburn, etc, etc, and these players eligibility issues become even less important.)

Georgia, Florida, and Kansas State seem to be benefiting from this new NCAA direction, but that’s A-OK with us.  Those schools did nothing wrong aside from signing players who might have done something wrong while being recruited to another school several years ago.  Miami is the serious wrongdoer in this case — it appears — and the Hurricanes should bear the brunt of the NCAA’s fury.

 


23 comments
DRU2012
DRU2012

The only surprising part is that the NCAA is actually seeming for a change to move ahead quickly, decisively and, in the case of the non-Miami players and not letting the trivial, almost certainly "non-starter"-issues entangle what must and should be the real focus: the details and history in the "culture of abuse" at UM. Hell, the "holes in the net" that have shown in previous NCAA "investigations" made the idea of going after the eligibility of players who DIDN'T go to "da U", the ones that refused their offer(s) whatever form they took, absolutely absurd.
Meanwhile, all these scUM apologists disavowing Nevil Shapiro now have no leg to stand on; even y'all referring to him as "rogue agent" is ingenuous, a subtle adaption of apologists' rush to distance themselves. Shapiro was "one of their guys", for a while there he was THE GUY":
He has a student lounge named after him! For years the heart of that team was over at his houses, on his yacht, out at restaurants and openly receiving cash from he and (by witnessed accounts) some of the coaches...the Head Coaches of both the football and basketball teams rushed to his side in public, they and UM officials right up to the President fell over themselves getting their pictures taken with him. Don't tell us this was some "rogue agent" operating in the shadows. They are all going down, school and fans together, because it WAS out in the open--and in their arrogance they thought since no one had stopped them the last few times, it could and would just go on, getting bigger and better. The really sick part is that it might well HAVE, except the latest "little rich guy" who filled the necessary cash-vacuum such a gravy train always requires ended up getting popped, and rolled over. That's how "criminal conspiracies always get broken up these days--no surprise there, really. Jimmy Johnson and others like him oughta shut their pie-holes on this whole deal, too--that spotlight is going to be going back further and further into the past, and he could talk his way right off his OWN gravy train.

GatorBait
GatorBait

Wow, you are really thin skinned John. Just in this comment thread you've accused someone of not being able to read, and then followed that up by chastising someone for hurling an insult. Hypocrisy?

The people reading this site and commenting are paying your bills and growing your business. You need to freakin' relax.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

GatorBait...

Nope, just tired of working all day long to be hit with insults and negative remarks after every post. Seems the people I responded to were insulting in their posts, weren't they?

Ever seen me say anything ugly to a person who simply states his case? Nope. Everyone has a right to his opinion, but I'm not big on having someone who comes here question my intelligence or call me biased or call me pro-Auburn or call me anti-Auburn or any other nonsense I get each day... all for simply providing that person a free service.

If someone disagrees with me, fine. But if someone wants to throw barbs, they'll get 'em back in spades. I see no hypocrisy there. I see an Old Testament eye-for-an-eye response. And I find it amusing that no one has a problem with an anonymous person hurling insults at a named writer, but for a named writer to respond in kind, well, that's just not fair.

I don't go to sites and rip people for their work. But if someone wants to come here and do that, OK. They should just be man enough to expect to be treated in the same way they treat us.

Over the last 3 months, I've been dealing with cancer. So maybe I'm a little stressed. But everyday, all I get here is negativity from people who do not even know me.

And people who won't even sign their names, "GatorBait."

John

Gerald
Gerald

John, I think you'd be better off adopting the attitude of the "customer is always right" instead of the "eye for an eye." There aren't too many businesses with an "eye for an eye" attitude that make much money.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Gerald...

I'd like for you to find a post where I've said I "hate" Paul Finebaum.

John

Gerald
Gerald

The more you return fire with fire, the more you act like Finebaum, who you say, at least, that you hate. The site could be full a website version of the Finebaum show.

Keltic
Keltic

I can't wait for the holidays. I look forward to reading the long anticipated expose about this site's author - "John's Type 'A' Christmas" or "How to lose your cool in two posts or less".

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Gerald...

The more I've returned fire with fire, the more our traffic has gone up.

But thanks for stepping right up to tell someone else how to run his business.

John

Keltic
Keltic

I question your logic here John. I enjoy your site but sometimes your arrangement of facts and assumptions is puzzling. I don't follow EVERY team but I do know that rumors about at least one of the players you mentioned seeped out months ago. Naturally any rumored contact between a player and the NCAA will cause fans to assume the worst. Since nothing more came of it and people claimed the player was eligible, it died away. Now we know the true topic of the meeting.

What seems more plausible? That because the NCAA is a week or so away from a conference to streamline it's confusing bylaws so it is now a kindler, gentler NCAA that reacts to everything quicker and more efficiently (despite having the same staff issues) or that the eligibility issues of these players was already addressed during an ongoing investigation? I mean really, could those schools have found out Tuesday like the rest of us and even completed their OWN internal investigations to submit to the NCAA that quickly had they all not known about this previously? Think about it. They knew and they knew from the NCAA interviews of their respective player-athletes.

Keltic
Keltic

Stop being so sensitive John. It's a play on a famous movie quote by Sigourney Weaver . . . but that's irrelevant now.

So you're claiming that if the NCAA had talked to the players that the media would have known about it? Really? So the Georgia, Florida, etc SIDs would have all released a statement saying something like "The following players have all been interviewed by the NCAA regarding possible violations at a member institution. No further comment follows." Yeah, that's Standard Operating Procedure isn't it?

That's not how these athletic departments work . How long did you know about this 5 month ongoing investigation? I mean if it were going on this long . . . then clearly the media would have known about it. Since there was no warning from the media then does that mean the media members claiming that Shapiro talked to the NCAA back in April were lying!

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Keltic...

No, I'm saying -- and I made it pretty clear -- that the schools would have been able to put out an immediate press release and fended off any bad press had they known their players were already in the clear. A la the Greg McGarity quote.

John

Keltic
Keltic

You are assuming that in the player interviews the NCAA made everything known to the Universities about the depth and breadth of the investigation. That's a big assumption. That the NCAA asking about what happened to a player on a recruiting trip to Miami would make ALL the allegations known is a stretch. Plus, isn't the process involving eligibility where a school must declare the player ineligible, investigate to the best of their ability, send the results of this investigation to the NCAA which then makes a ruling. If the investigation later turns out to be innacurate, insufficient or falsified, then the school risks punishment by the NCAA.

Now when in this case did you hear any player being declared ineligible (the first step in the process)? Florida and Georgia both said it was in contact with the NCAA (didn't say when this contact began) and there were no eligibility issues. As of yet I cannot find a statement where a player has been ruled "eligible" by any University. This is because no one has been ruled ineligible and talks with the NCAA have not been through typical procedural channels.

Keltic
Keltic

Your assumptions are that everything is changed and we are now looking at the new World . . . errrr . . . NCAA order. My assumptions are based on what has happened in the past.

Silly me, here I go believing that "Past results are the best indicator of future performance". Clearly my being a slave to precedence and established patterns are far inferior to your preference to divine inspiration. You would make a much better doomsayor or prophet than I would. Please continue with your chorus of "The end is NEAR!" or maybe "A time of change is upon us!!!" and then you can later use those predictions as the basis for even more farflung theories in the future.

Good luck with that.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Keltic...

Fine. I made assumptions. And that is wrong.

Your assumptions, however, are correct.

I see.

Enjoy your victory,
John

Keltic
Keltic

Did IQs suddenly drop at this site while I was away? There needs not be a conspiracy theory or new way of doing business to explain why these players were cleared so quickly.

The NCAA has been investigating these allegations for over 5 months. These players have probably already been talked to by NCAA (rumors of such for certain players were swirling in the summer although the details weren't known) representatives in the conduct of the ongoing investigation as they had their names early on. Getting benefits from a school you DON'T attend is a violation by the school which offered the extra benefits but not towards the player who doesn't attend there. The only ineligible players are the ones who were named by Shapiro and WENT to UM.

Where's the confusion? Yahoo sports didn't suprise the NCAA with this story. The NCAA was already on the Miami campus when the story broke. And they all have the same source (Shapiro).

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Keltic...

Having followed NCAA actions for 20 years, I can promise you that the quick decisions made in the cases of the players mentioned were highly unusual and they also happened to fit perfectly with the NCAA's new goal of focusing on major offenses.

If these players had been talked to by the NCAA, the schools and the media would have known about it. And the schools would have said immediately -- not two days later -- that the NCAA had already done its research. Greg McGarity said instead, "We're checking into it" at Georgia. If the NCAA had already talked to and cleared Orson Charles, there would have been no need for McGarity to check on anything and he could have said immediately, Charles is A-OK. He did not. And neither did anyone else.

But I'm always glad to see that people can't make a comment without first hurling an insult or suggesting that someone's IQ has dropped.

John

Gerald
Gerald

Where's Tennessee's statement. Kiffin is the one who signed Bryce Brown away from Miami. So why isn't UT saying anything?

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Gerald...

It's not about any of these schools signing these players, the only NCAA issue involved their current eligibility. Brown is no longer at Tennessee, thus no statement. The statement came from Kansas State who could have been -- but won't be -- affected.

Anyone suggesting that Florida, Georgia and Tennessee MUST HAVE cheated to have signed these guys is dealing in pure speculation and completely missing the point of the NCAA's concerns.

John

ViciousDawg
ViciousDawg

Don't make this about Auburn. Its all about Miami and their recruiting not any other school.

Guest
Guest

"Those schools did nothing wrong aside from signing players who might have done something wrong while being recruited to another school"

That's a great point and it must be true except for when it's not. The four letter network and most football blog Perry Masons have told us for months Auburn cheated. Their logic? "Cecil asked for money at MSU so Auburn must have paid him".

I love the smell of exploding canards in the morning.

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Guest...

Yeah, and if you've read this site, you know that we've stated in the Auburn/Cam Newton case that while that might appear to be so, it's only supposition and not evidence.

But thanks for lumping this site -- that has been blasted for defending AU in the Newton case -- in with those sites who've said "if they asked MSU for cash, you know Auburn offered more."

I love the smell of people who can't read in the morning.

John

Brad daugherty
Brad daugherty

How can you not be worried about what the players may or may not have done? I find it completely hypocritical that the NCAA would not do its due diligence and investigate whether or not these players compromised their amature status by accepting thousands of dollars in illegal benefits. Enes Kanter tried to do everything he could to stay within the rules and was denied by the NCAA, but multiple players are discovered to have been part of a money pipeline from Miami and it is just swept under the rug????? Sour grapes?? Probably........but when is the American sporting public going to demand more out it's collegiate sports governing body. First Cecil Newton, then the handling of the Ohio State bowl "penalty" and now this. It would be comical if it weren't true.

cpenny
cpenny

"Those schools did nothing wrong aside from signing players who might have done something wrong while being recruited to another school several years ago."

Marve and AB were student athletes at Miami when their transgressions occured, not recruits. Shouldn't that make a difference? I'm not for blaming the kids, but this seems to open up a situation where football players would feel free to take whatever gifts are offered, then just transfer and sit out a year if the NCAA caught on.

Also, a serious LOL if you think UF, Georgia and so on did nothing wrong in pursuing these guys. They just haven't been caught. Shapiro himself said that UM didn't bother buying players because they couldn't compete with the "river of money" flowing from SEC schools.



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