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Writer: Lyles Can’t Be Trusted After Flip-Flop On Oregon

If you’re among the fire-eating LSU fans who become outraged at the mere suggestion that the Tigers and street agent Willie Lyles might have been involved in some out-of-bounds behavior, you might as well stop reading here.  Save yourself the headache and save us the nasty emails.

If, however, you’re among the many, many rationale Tiger fans who are hoping for the best but preparing for the worst, we suggest you keep reading.

This much we know: Lyles — who has turned into a one-man nightmare for the Oregon football program — was also paid $6,000 by LSU for work he did for Les Miles’ staff.  Lyles says that work was legit.  LSU says that work was legit.

But as John DeShazier of The New Orleans Times-Picayune points out, that’s what Lyles said about Oregon, too… intially:


“But if he now is telling the truth about his relationship with Oregon coach Chip Kelly and Kelly’s assistants (and he seems to have documentation proving Oregon’s gratefulness for him wielding influence), we know his previous attempt to cover for himself and Oregon isn’t true.  So you’ll have to forgive me if, given the way scandal has erupted throughout college sports — and, specifically, the way smut is leaking from big-time football in the BCS conferences — in the last calendar year along, I’m more inclined to presume guilt rather than innocence right now.

‘In eight years of working in scouting and working for bigger companies and doing different things in scouting, you get a chance to see a lot and do a lot,’ Lyles said Tuesday during an interview with a Portland, Oregon radio station.  ‘You see a lot of things that go on.

‘That’s just stuff that I don’t want to even touch at this point and that’s about it.  I haven’t decided on what information I do want to talk about at this point as far as dealing with them.  I don’t want to say anything that’s out of line and out of turn as far as my dealings with LSU.’

Actually, it’s a little late in the game for Lyles to dummy up, given that he has given up Oregon via the claim that he believes Oregon paid him to steer players to Eugene.

So, to think Lyles and LSU would be incapable of doing what Lyles and Oregon apparently did would be beyond naive.”


Yes, it would.  As DeShazier points out, there’s no reason to think that Miles and LSU did pay Lyles to steer prospects toward Baton Rouge — not yet anyway — but there’s also no reason to rule out that possibility.  Even though many on The Bayou would definitely to do so.

First, LSU got itself mixed up with a guy who clearly walks outside the lines and has no problem — in Oregon’s case at least — being a rat.  That’s not good.  Whether he did anything improper for LSU or not, Lyles is trouble.  That’s why the NCAA is likely to keep digging on Lyles and on all of his dealings with various schools.

Second, no school should ever want the NCAA snooping around its campus and that’s especially true right now.  Mark Emmert and crew currently have their antennae up and their general mood suggests rule-breakers will be taken to the woodshed.

For those reasons, the wise fan clad in purple and gold will admit to being a little nervous over the Lyles situation.  Not panicking, mind you, but nervous.  And the wise fan is certainly not confident.  With Lyles rolling over on the Oregon, how could he be?

 


9 comments
jerry
jerry

It is what it is-----why write an article about being nervous or not? Hell, I'm nervous every year about this time!

I love football talk in the slow months of the summer.

LSUCheats
LSUCheats

Yall are screwed. Time to vacate wins and prepare for probation. This might get your coach fired though, I know many of you would like that.

Missile Defense
Missile Defense

Lyles thought P-Knight would cough up some money to protect his investment in Oregon football. Just like Lake thought Buss and a few other USC alums worth 9 figures would part with a little cash to keep him quiet about Bush. Apparently, West Coast fat cats don't chip in to help their favorite programs CYA.

In a similar vein, I sincerely doubt Lyles has the sort of corroborating evidence for LSU that he had with Oregon. SEC programs resemble the CIA when it comes to this sort of thing -- everything's compartmentalized, and everyone has plausible deniability. The others just look like rank amateurs for this sort of thing.

DonP
DonP

‘I haven’t decided on what information I do want to talk about at this point as far as dealing with them (LSU). I don’t want to say anything that’s out of line and out of turn as far as my dealings with LSU.’

Translation: "I'm waiting to find out if LSU will cough up enough cash to keep me quiet, or I'll be singing on them like I'm singing on Oregon"

Lyles only started slamming Oregon after they refused to give him another $25k for next year's "Recruiting Package". Why would Oregon renew their contract with him for another year? Well, the word in Oregon is that Willie insinuated he would make life very difficult for the Ducks if they didn't renew. He really thought that they'd pay up to keep him quiet. Nice guy, huh?

Jimbeaux
Jimbeaux

Hirnig an independent contractor, and being complicit in illegal acts are two totally different things. ANY school should be presumed to have hired said contractor for only legal and ethical services. If the contractor elects to engage in improper behavior, it is incumbent upon the accusers to substantiate any claims that the employer of said services implied or otherwise gave direction for said contractor to act in an improper or illegal manner. Where is the PROOF that LSU (or any other school using Lyles) did anything wrong?

johnmrsec
johnmrsec

Jimbeaux...

There is no proof. But who says there was?

Read the story and you'll simply see that we're saying LSU fans shouldn't panic over this, but they shouldn't blow it off, either. Lyles is bad news for at least one program. He could be for LSU as well.

The fans at North Carolina, Tennessee, Ohio State, and Oregon were all pretty sure there schools had done nothing wrong, too.

John

Bmac
Bmac

LSU has one player whose recruitment seems to have involved Lyles. If I'm Miles, I don't use that player in a game until the smoke clears, and I have an extremely direct conversation with Brick Haley about not involving street agents in recruiting ever again.

LSUfan
LSUfan

It's entirely possible that, at the time they hired Lyles, LSU neither knew nor had reason to know that he was so sketchy. At the same time, I must admit that you are correct that it would be foolhardy to be absolutely sure that LSU will escape the wrath of the NCAA on this one given Lyles' ever-changing story on Oregon. Still, I would say that I am cautiously optomistic bordering on confident that LSU will escape real trouble on this one. Les runs a pretty clean program (at least I really hope that his reputation for doing so is accurate), $6,000 doesn't seem like all that much money, and I can't imagine why Lyles would be protecting LSU if he's already letting the cat out of the bag about Oregon.

LSUfan
LSUfan

A couple of thoughts: (1) if there was real dirt on LSU, it seemingly would have surfaced by now, especially in light of LSU's recent record of softening anticipated problems/punishment by self-reporting incidents/violations. (2) I'm not sure that it's fair to say that "LSU got itself mixed up with a guy who clearly walks outside the lines and has no problem". Yes, LSU is now mixed up with this guy, BUT at the time LSU retained his services, he was just one of the many scouting services out there which dozens of D-I programs use on a regular basis (although I wonder if that will now become a thing of the past). CONTINUED....



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